Godzilla (GMM) vs. Biollante and Mothra (Heisei)

[EternalMothra]

Godzilla (GMM) vs. Biollante and Heisei Mothra

Arena: Amazon Rainforests

Rules: All monsters are Heisei sized, Biollante is in her final form.

Who do you think will win?

[Orga777]

Godzilla shoots his beam at Biollante and she goes down due to her weakness to Godzilla's beam, and this Godzilla doesn't play around like Heisei Godzilla does. Now against Mothra it is a little harder. Mothra doesn't like to use pollen right away, and that will cost her. One shot with this nasty beam and she will be knocked out of the air or even burst into flames.

Winner: Godzilla GMM

[EternalMothra]

Biollante won't be toasted that easily. Remember, she has regenerational powers. I don't recal this Godzilla using a nuclear pulse, so Biollante can constrict him to death, and spear him with her tendrils. Or....eat him. Even when Biollante was hit with Goji's ray, she still persisted to attack. It also takes this Goji sometime to charge his beam before firing, and in that amount of time, Mothra or Biollante can take him by surprise.

[Orga777]

Biollante won't be toasted that easily. Remember, she has regenerational powers. I don't recal this Godzilla using a nuclear pulse, so Biollante can constrict him to death, and spear him with her tendrils. Or....eat him. Even when Biollante was hit with Goji's ray, she still persisted to attack. It also takes this Goji sometime to charge his beam before firing, and in that amount of time, Mothra or Biollante can take him by surprise.

Biollante has a weakness to Goji's breath though. And this beam has even better exposive power, higher radiation, and much more push than Heisei Goji's. It will rip right through Biollante with little trouble. And since this Godzilla doesn't fool around and shoots his beam all the time it is going to knock Bio out quickly.

[EternalMothra]

Biollante has a weakness to Goji's breath though. And this beam has even better exposive power, higher radiation, and much more push than Heisei Goji's. It will rip right through Biollante with little trouble. And since this Godzilla doesn't fool around and shoots his beam all the time it is going to knock Bio out quickly.

Mothra could distract him, she did take Goji's beam more easily, and would probably take this one's more easily than Bio will. While she is dousing him with her beams, Biollante would attack.:)

[Orga777]

Mothra could distract him, she did take Goji's beam more easily, and would probably take this one's more easily than Bio will. While she is dousing him with her beams, Biollante would attack.:)

Those beams are nothing compared to Kiryu's masers and lasers. And one blast and Mothra is out as well, so it really doen't matter. This Godzilla is just plain powerful. IMO it can beat almost all of the Heisei kaiju minus Destroyah, Godzilla, and mabye Space Godzilla.

[EternalMothra]

Those beams are nothing compared to Kiryu's masers and lasers. And one blast and Mothra is out as well, so it really doen't matter. This Godzilla is just plain powerful. IMO it can beat almost all of the Heisei kaiju minus Destroyah, Godzilla, and mabye Space Godzilla.

Those beams are most likely a lot stronger than Kiryu's. Mothra hit Godzilla Heisei with like three blasts and he was roaring in pain and falling down. If Mothra does manage to deploy her scales and discharges, Godzilla is in for a lot of energy being bounced back at him.

[Orga777]

Those beams are most likely a lot stronger than Kiryu's. Mothra hit Godzilla Heisei with like three blasts and he was roaring in pain and falling down. If Mothra does manage to deploy her scales and discharges, Godzilla is in for a lot of energy being bounced back at him.

But Mothra never uses her scals till later. And later is too late against something that is going to blast it out of the air. Godzilla is deadly accurate with his beam and won't miss the rather unagile flyer like Heisei Mothra.

[EternalMothra]

But Mothra never uses her scals till later. And later is too late against something that is going to blast it out of the air. Godzilla is deadly accurate with his beam and won't miss the rather unagile flyer like Heisei Mothra.

You are right about that, Biollante plays a key role here. While she distracts Goji for a few seconds, Mothra will deploy her scales, and Godzilla will be enveloped by them. Which will protect both Biollante and Mothra if Godzilla is completely shrouded in scales.

[Orga777]

You are right about that, Biollante plays a key role here. While she distracts Goji for a few seconds, Mothra will deploy her scales, and Godzilla will be enveloped by them. Which will protect both Biollante and Mothra if Godzilla is completely shrouded in scales.

Mothra never used the scales in the beginning of a fight though. She didn't use them untill about 10 minutes into the fight. One antenna beam is going to piss Godzilla off and he is going to shoot his beam at Mothra and she would be out of the fight. Then Bio vs. Goji, which won't take too long.

[EternalMothra]

Mothra never used the scales in the beginning of a fight though. She didn't use them untill about 10 minutes into the fight. One antenna beam is going to piss Godzilla off and he is going to shoot his beam at Mothra and she would be out of the fight. Then Bio vs. Goji, which won't take too long.

I think ten minutes is exaggurating a bit. It was about three or four minutes. One antenna beam may be enough to stop Godzilla in his tracks. If Mothra keeps blasting them, Goji is going be in a lot of pain. Remember, Mothra can conduct energy through her touch too, she could grab Goji by the back of the neck and charge him, or knock him over. Like GMM Mothra did. Also, at the beginning of a fight, Godzilla usually stands there and roars for a few moments. Mothra doesn't hesitate before she starts to battle. While Goji is doing that, Biollante could use her vines to knock him over. Or she could bite onto his head, and face him away so he doesn't blast her or Mothra. While she does that, he can be blasted and speared and all that nice stuff.:darklord:

[Orga777]

Compared to Kiryu's assult that tiny pathetic schock isn't going to do anything to Goji. All he needs to do is take Mothra/Bio out in one shot. And when he is pissed, he doesn't hesitate.

[EternalMothra]

Compared to Kiryu's assult that tiny pathetic schock isn't going to do anything to Goji. All he needs to do is take Mothra/Bio out in one shot. And when he is pissed, he doesn't hesitate.

His beam is not that uberly powerful. Remember, Godzilla Heisei hit Mothra with a blast directly to the face, and it didn't even cause her to hesitate. This Goji's beam will hurt her, but not destroy her in one shot. What makes you think that shock is pathetic, it was enough to cause Heisei Goji to writh in agony. All Kiryu has is missiles and masers, which don't seem to be that powerful.

[Orga777]

His beam is not that uberly powerful. Remember, Godzilla Heisei hit Mothra with a blast directly to the face, and it didn't even cause her to hesitate. This Goji's beam will hurt her, but not destroy her in one shot. What makes you think that shock is pathetic, it was enough to cause Heisei Goji to writh in agony. All Kiryu has is missiles and masers, which don't seem to be that powerful.

Yea, but Heisei Godzilla's beam didn't knock a mech through an entire city not once but TWICE like this Godzilla did. If you recall to GodzillaXMecha-Godzilla for a moment if you remeber Kiryu got nailed while he was charging the AZC and he was knocked off his feet and went flying very far away. Then when Kiryu got back up Goji shot his beam again pushing Kiryu down the city yet again only his time the mech was able to keep his balance for a short bit before falling again. Heisei Goji's beam is powerful, but not as dangerous as this Goji's.

[EternalMothra]

Yea, but Heisei Godzilla's beam didn't knock a mech through an entire city not once but TWICE like this Godzilla did. If you recall to GodzillaXMecha-Godzilla for a moment if you remeber Kiryu got nailed while he was charging the AZC and he was knocked off his feet and went flying very far away. Then when Kiryu got back up Goji shot his beam again pushing Kiryu down the city yet again only his time the mech was able to keep his balance for a short bit before falling again. Heisei Goji's beam is powerful, but not as dangerous as this Goji's.

The Goji from GXM was at full strength. We are talking about the same Goji, but he is weakened and injured from his previous battle. As I recall, GMM Mothra was even able to fly after being blasted by Goji's beam twice, and losing all of her scales. Heisei Mothra's wings are a lot thicker. I do agree that this Goji's beam is more powerful than Heisei's. It is also likely that this Goji's beam is weaker than it was before, due to his injuries and loss of energy from the previous battle.

[Orga777]

The Goji from GXM was at full strength. We are talking about the same Goji, but he is weakened and injured from his previous battle. As I recall, GMM Mothra was even able to fly after being blasted by Goji's beam twice, and losing all of her scales. Heisei Mothra's wings are a lot thicker. I do agree that this Goji's beam is more powerful than Heisei's. It is also likely that this Goji's beam is weaker than it was before, due to his injuries and loss of energy from the previous battle.

I don't think Heisei's wings are as durable as GMMG Mothra's. And the beam power is virtually the same. Just because the body is physically weaker, it doesn't weaken beam power any. And the previous battle with Kiryu took place a year before when Tokyo's SOS took place, so he definitly recovered.

[EternalMothra]

I don't think Heisei's wings are as durable as GMMG Mothra's. And the beam power is virtually the same. Just because the body is physically weaker, it doesn't weaken beam power any. And the previous battle with Kiryu took place a year before when Tokyo's SOS took place, so he definitly recovered.

GMM Mothra's wings are very thin and delicate. Heisei's is tougher and harder. In GMMG it didn't seem that Kiryu was knocked quite as far when Goji's beam hit him then before, it could be weaker, since he did use a lot of his energy the year before.

[Orga777]

GMM Mothra's wings are very thin and delicate. Heisei's is tougher and harder. In GMMG it didn't seem that Kiryu was knocked quite as far when Goji's beam hit him then before, it could be weaker, since he did use a lot of his energy the year before.

Kiryu had upgrades you know... And this GMMG Mothra's wing may look thin and weak, but they are actually quite tuff. To take this Godzilla's blast and not damage them, it is saying something. Now if Goji gets a nice shot to Heisei Mothra's head like Heisei Goji did, it is going to ground her at least. I won't be surprized if it killed her. Don't under estimate the power of Godzilla GMM's beam weapon which will hurt a lot more than Heisei's beam.

[biochemitra]

I think biollante and mothra gor this one. Goji could probably take on either one alone but it would not be that easy, and together I think They have a pretty good chance. Biollante has ungodly regen, I think after a beam rips through the back of your head and it heals, a stronger beam really isn't that big an issue. She can heal gaping wounds in seconds and regrow tentacles instantly! Yeah, she is gonna get torn up bad which is why her regen is so great. Also, Bi's acid sap was enough to nearly K.O heisei goji, GMMG isn't THAT much tougher.
Heisei took a few hits and survived nicely against heisei, I think she could withstand one or two more from this goji.

[Orga777]

I think biollante and mothra gor this one. Goji could probably take on either one alone but it would not be that easy, and together I think They have a pretty good chance. Biollante has ungodly regen, I think after a beam rips through the back of your head and it heals, a stronger beam really isn't that big an issue. She can heal gaping wounds in seconds and regrow tentacles instantly! Yeah, she is gonna get torn up bad which is why her regen is so great. Also, Bi's acid sap was enough to nearly K.O heisei goji, GMMG isn't THAT much tougher.
Heisei took a few hits and survived nicely against heisei, I think she could withstand one or two more from this goji.

Again you forget the fact Bio has a weakness to Godzilla's beam. And if this Godzilla's beam plows through that energy sac Bio is done in seconds.

[biochemitra]

Possibly. I know little about the energy sac, but I belive you yourself admitted biollante MAY stand a chance against keiser ghidorah. Wait, that was you wasn't it?
And Bi's tendrils can lash out like snakes! She impaled heisei's hand just as he held it out for a moment. If goji's beam hurts her more than heisei's, she may decide to lash out more. But if she gets in trouble her acid barf is a major owie!

[Orga777]

Possibly. I know little about the energy sac, but I belive you yourself admitted biollante MAY stand a chance against keiser ghidorah. Wait, that was you wasn't it?

Yea, but she doesn't have a physical weakness to Kaisers attacks like Godzilla's ray. Goji is one of the only kaiju that can actually take out Bio quickly since his beam is like her main weakness.

[EternalMothra]

Kiryu had upgrades you know... And this GMMG Mothra's wing may look thin and weak, but they are actually quite tuff. To take this Godzilla's blast and not damage them, it is saying something. Now if Goji gets a nice shot to Heisei Mothra's head like Heisei Goji did, it is going to ground her at least. I won't be surprized if it killed her. Don't under estimate the power of Godzilla GMM's beam weapon which will hurt a lot more than Heisei's beam.

Kiryu had upgrades, but they really didn't all work against Goji until he used his drill hand. If I recall, Goji's beam did damage the edges of Mothra's wing too. I doubt a shot to the face will kill Mothra, it will down her of course, but not kill her, she isn't that weak. If Mothra did manage to use her scales, Goji's beam is going to really hurt when it comes back and surges into his body. Not to mention the electrical discharges, they will injure him too. Plus, when Mothra used her scales against Heisei Goji, they seemed to slow him down, I'm sure the same thing would happen to this one.

Now about Biollante. Goji's beam will cause some signifigant damage, but it will just regenerate again. Biollante is half plant half Goji. If she also manages to bite onto Goji's arm or another appendage, she most likely has the ability to tear it off with her massive jaws. After that happens, Goji will not be in very good condition.

[EternalMothra]

Yea, but she doesn't have a physical weakness to Kaisers attacks like Godzilla's ray. Goji is one of the only kaiju that can actually take out Bio quickly since his beam is like her main weakness.

Biollante was blasted dozens of times by Goji's beams, she was blasted in the abdomen, and she was blasted right down her throat. She still remained standing and she battled.

Bio may be weak against his beam, but she regenerates quickly too. Also, she may be able to crush Goji if she gets him down on the ground, all she has to do is sit on him!:laugh:

[biochemitra]

I agree with EM. The beam, if an elephent gun can put someone down in peices, is a tank really better?
If bio can heal having her head impaled and her stomach burst, and probably survive losing her head, will a beam that will rip through her worse really be worse? Heisei's beam impaled her, what more could GMMG's do?

[Orga777]

Biollante was blasted dozens of times by Goji's beams, she was blasted in the abdomen, and she was blasted right down her throat. She still remained standing and she battled.

Bio may be weak against his beam, but she regenerates quickly too. Also, she may be able to crush Goji if she gets him down on the ground, all she has to do is sit on him!:laugh:

If that was the case instead of trying to eat Heisei Godzilla, how come she didn't crush him? Oh yea, because she can move too well when she is PLANTED IN THE GROUND. The only reason she moved was because she up rooted herself, and they arn't feet they are just roots. She can't stand up and put Goji under her. Oh and every time Bio was hit by an attack it made her weaker by the looks of it. And this Godzilla's beam will plow through her easier than Heisei Godzilla's beam did. Again if it hits that energy pouch she is done for.

[EternalMothra]

If that was the case instead of trying to eat Heisei Godzilla, how come she didn't crush him? Oh yea, because she can move too well when she is PLANTED IN THE GROUND. The only reason she moved was because she up rooted herself, and they arn't feet they are just roots. She can't stand up and put Goji under her. Oh and every time Bio was hit by an attack it made her weaker by the looks of it. And this Godzilla's beam will plow through her easier than Heisei Godzilla's beam did. Again if it hits that energy pouch she is done for.

I don't recall the mutant Biollante having an energy pouch, I remember the rose form having one. Bio could envelope Goji with her roots, I'm sure she could balance all of her weight upon him and break every bone in his body.

I have been considering. Wouldn't this Goji have a second brain like his Heisei counterpart? If so, all Bio would have to do is impale a tendril through his side and rupture the brain.

[SpaceHunterM]

Yeah because we've been shown that Bio can do both those things haven't we EM:hmmm:



Bio in adult form does have the energy sack and the pure kinetic force of this goji's beam should be enough to destroy it rather easily. It is possible for the team to win if they can work well enough together, but I see one of them being taken out by that beam before that can happen


Winner: Goji

[Orga777]

I don't recall the mutant Biollante having an energy pouch, I remember the rose form having one. Bio could envelope Goji with her roots, I'm sure she could balance all of her weight upon him and break every bone in his body.

I have been considering. Wouldn't this Goji have a second brain like his Heisei counterpart? If so, all Bio would have to do is impale a tendril through his side and rupture the brain.

Did she ever do that to Heisei Godzilla? Didn't think so. As for the energy pouch. Under the jaw you see the red, that is the energy pouch.

http://tohokingdom.com/images/kaiju/biollante_01.jpghttp://tohokingdom.com/images/kaiju/biollante_02.jpg

[Gorjirus]

^That is unlikely.

And it wasn't the radiation that hurts Biollante Orga. The only reason the beam DOES more damage than usual is because of the genetic residue of the beam.

And Mothra didn't use the scales right off because she didn't really need to. And if Godzilla DOES attack Biollante first (which would take more than one beam to kill her; 4-5 is my estimate; maybe more), Mothra would SEE how strong the beam is, and thus use the scales.

And one beam blast wouldn't kill Mothra. Now, will I am a big believer of GxMg/GMMG's Godzilla's beam strength, I don't think it would rip through Mothra like paper. She took the piercing beams of Battra and the raw power of Godzilla's and did just fine.

[Saruman]

Again you forget the fact Bio has a weakness to Godzilla's beam. And if this Godzilla's beam plows through that energy sac Bio is done in seconds.

Wow you are really over estimating GMM Gojis abilities and are really underestimating both Biollate and Mothra in a big way.

Yes Bio does have a weakness to Gojis beam, but everything you are stating is simply so far out there it isn't even funny. Bio took direct hits to her core at the beginning of the last battle, which caused the core to explode, a second later it was fully healed. She also had the entire back of her head, neck and back blown off and in a second it was fully healed. And that weakness was from the beam of the SAME Godzilla that gave her life. This is a different Godzilla with a beam relatively close in power to Heisei Gojis blue beam. Biollante may not even have a weakness to it as she was not created from this Godzilla.

Combat experience is also a factor here. Biollante has fought a beam happy Godzilla already, she knows what to expect. This goji hasn't faced an opponent like Biollante before, this gives her an edge starting out. She only has to wrap up this Goji and its pretty much over for him as he has no pulse to break free of her vines like Heisei Goji did.

Then you throw in Heisei Mothra, who has plenty of power on her own and has reflective pollen, this is just a battle that GMM Goji stands absolutely no chance in.

And no, GMM Goji isn't going to be taking either Biollante or Heisei Mothra out with a single hit, not by a long shot.

[EternalMothra]

Yeah because we've been shown that Bio can do both those things haven't we EM:hmmm:



Bio in adult form does have the energy sack and the pure kinetic force of this goji's beam should be enough to destroy it rather easily. It is possible for the team to win if they can work well enough together, but I see one of them being taken out by that beam before that can happen


Winner: Goji

I'm sure Bio could do those things, she has the weight, she may as well use it. Biollante had her entire abdomen blown out and her back, yet she still regenerated it. This Goji is very overrated power-wise. You should read what Saruman and Gojirus has said.

[Saruman]

Did she ever do that to Heisei Godzilla? Didn't think so. As for the energy pouch. Under the jaw you see the red, that is the energy pouch.

http://tohokingdom.com/images/kaiju/biollante_01.jpghttp://tohokingdom.com/images/kaiju/biollante_02.jpg

It's not an energy pouch, that is Biollantes Core. And destroying it does not mean you destroy Biollante as Heisei Goji destroyed it twice in the film, once in Rose form when she escaped and went into pollen form and later at the start of the last battle, when it took a direct hit and it exploded. Biollante regenerated the core immediately and continued the fight without missing a beat.

GMM Goji is simply way out of his league in this battle.

[Orga777]

Hmm. Interseting points then. So then Bio is only really weakened by Heisei Goji's flame weapon then and when compared to other Godzilla beam weapons like Showa or GMMG for example arn't really as effective? If that is the case I conceed to most of my points.

But I am interested in what would happen if GMMG Godzilla shot his beam at Bio's core off the bat though. Since his beam is a lot of push, wouldn't it just go through it? Or is there something I am not takeing into account since I am curious of the effects it would possibly have on Biollante?

[EternalMothra]

Hmm. Interseting points then. So then Bio is only really weakened by Heisei Goji's flame weapon then and when compared to other Godzilla beam weapons like Showa or GMMG for example arn't really as effective? If that is the case I conceed to most of my points.

But I am interested in what would happen if GMMG Godzilla shot his beam at Bio's core off the bat though. Since his beam is a lot of push, wouldn't it just go through it? Or is there something I am not takeing into account since I am curious of the effects it would possibly have on Biollante?

It may go through, however, I am convinced that Bio will regenerate.

There is another thing to take into account. Both Mothra and Biollante are larger than Godzilla. Biollante can knock him around with her weight, and Mothra can knock him over with her hurricane force winds.

[Orga777]

It may go through, however, I am convinced that Bio will regenerate.

There is another thing to take into account. Both Mothra and Biollante are larger than Godzilla. Biollante can knock him around with her weight, and Mothra can knock him over with her hurricane force winds.

In these battles everything is scaled accordingly though unless stated other wise.

EDIT: You even put in your rules that they are all Heisei sized so then GMMG Godzilla is around the same size as Heisei Godzilla.

[EternalMothra]

In these battles everything is scaled accordingly though unless stated other wise.

EDIT: You even put in your rules that they are all Heisei sized so then GMMG Godzilla is around the same size as Heisei Godzilla.

Oops, I stand corrected, I forgot about what I said.........:crazy:

[biochemitra]

Not that mothra probably still couldn't knock him off his feet with her gusts.

[EternalMothra]

Not that mothra probably still couldn't knock him off his feet with her gusts.

You're right about that. Also, Bio could just trip Goji with her vines.

[BS Digital Q]

EM, you forgot to post which version of Bio, but by this talk I'm implying it to be the second version.

Anyway, if it hadn't been for Saruman I would be doing the bulk of the arguing in favor of Bio and Mothra.

[EternalMothra]

I did post that it was Bio's final form.;)

Don't forget BSDQ, EM would be aiding you in the arguing.;)

[SpaceHunterM]

Note to self: Make sure you have watched the movies recently before commenting on fights like this.

My apologies I haven't watched GvBio in a long time and I was using very sparse pieces of my memory when thinking about her core. Now that Saruman has jogged my memory about it I still believe that this goji's beam will punch through it, but it won't be enough to slow her down for long


I didn't mean it would kill Mothra in one shot, but rather knock her out of the air so Goji could stomp her head or follow up with another beam which I think would be enough to ground her for the rest of the fight.

BUT after Saruman's argument I still think Goji has a slim chance to win, but am leaning more towards the team now...damn:(

[EternalMothra]

didn't mean it would kill Mothra in one shot, but rather knock her out of the air so Goji could stomp her head or follow up with another beam which I think would be enough to ground her for the rest of the fight.

It would knock Mothra out of the air, I doubt that a second beam blast would render Mothra to an unbattling mode. She took three successful blasts of Battra's sharp prism beams, and then when Mothra was on the ground Battra blasted her again. She survived Godzilla's atomic blast and to blasts of atomic breath, she still managed to survive.

[ghidorahsaurus]

Interesting fight - I think Biollante and Mothra would eventually prevail; however, in my opinion, it will take quite a bit of offensive might and teamwork for them to down this Godzilla.

Some points to consider:

* It took a great amount of injury and destruction to slow this GMMG Godzilla down - he survived two HUGE explosions (Mothra's explosive powder and Kiryu's jet pack), missiles from multiple directions, thrown around in the air, masers, a huge, and hulking HOLE drilled in him - then, he finally got wrapped up and fell over.

* As Orga has stated (and Gorjirus sort of backed up), Godzilla's atomic breath has loads of force behind it - blasting Kiryu around a number of times!

With the above two points, I was thinking of siding with Godzilla. However, one must consider the following:

* Although Godzilla's hide is extremely tough, the electric blade and drill both made their way through it. Biollante's vines should do the same.

* Heisei Godzilla's regeneration undoubtedly helped him survive Biollante's acid. As cells were destroyed by the acid, other cells were grown in their place. This effectively dilluted the acid before it could make its way to the softer, more important flesh inside.

Cool battle!!! :thumbs:

[anguirus55]

Ouch, this is just too overwhelming. Individually, Godzilla could take either one while virtually exhuasting himself. Against both? They can both fight poorly and still win.