Hesie mechagodzilla vs Hesie Kaijuus

[Terminator 800]

This Topic tends to be more of a one sided brief overview of how Hesie Mechagodzilla can beat most of the monsters I have seen appear in different monster movies I have seen, with me as the pilot of course . You are welcome to argue about possibilities of these fights or comment on my strategy.



Hesie Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla: not much here, only thing is that I not allow any beam lock (Specially the one which led mechagodzilla to overheat and than being thrown and stomped on by godzilla).

Instead I would have mechagodzilla ram godzilla and knock him down with support from beam weapons. Than jet pack upwards ( standing posture, not laying posture) and hover towards godzilla's head. Than I would have it go high and stomp on Goji's head instead , with weight like mechagodzilla's, godzilla is sure to recieve a head ache worse than the one he recieved when king ghidora did it. If that does not kill him
than turn to Super mech and do what those guys did on the movie. only this time when rodan lands on top of goji, I would shoot it with all beam weapons so that it is knocked off goji and the strength is not transmitted.


Hesie Mothra vs Hesie Mechagodzilla(no offence Eternal Mothra):

Killing mothra would be the hardest of them all but most enjoyable. lets not forget she's got strenght that could throw my mech a long distance away so I have to be careful with ramming her.

So we start of with being far distant away from her. Hover above in stand posture and ram her head or go even higher (yes higher cause I saw it fly on the blue sky in the movie) and than shoot her eyes and than ram from above. if she is still fast, than have garuda destract her and than do the following. Make sure she falls down and than either crush her body with stomp like the one performed with Goji, or use G-crushers with paralyzer missles, eitherways she should be pinned on the ground, thus she is toast.

Note: Incase she gets more troublesome with pollen clouds, than form into SMG and than simply absorb her beam (beam aborb stuff written below for confirmation on anykind of beam being absorbed) or use ram with full jet power and push her all the way to screech the ground.

King Ghidora vs Hesie MG:

Start off by having it land in front of MG. When he starts to reign his death rays, and absorb them (Yes, MG can absorb any kind of beam but with limit, depending on how strong the beam is, you can confirm over to Toho Kingdom since they also have this Kaijuu matchup stuff and it is written that MG can absorb Death Ghidora's beam till some extent).

When the beam has been absorbed, fire it back with all Beam weapons MG got, (at this moment prepare G crushers with aimer)

when KG starts to lower down and protect itself, Fire G-crushers and everything u got.




For now that is enough, when I will get more time, I would write on defeating Biollante, Destroyah and Space godzilla.


Edit:I do realise that my topic is on the wrong board so moderators move it to the right one.

[Terminator 800]

1. Heisei Mecha-Godzilla cannot take a hit from an attack at all.

2. Unless the beam is radiation based it cannot be absorbed, so King Ghidorah's gravity beams wouln't be absorbed and not to mention if he starts stomping on it, the mech will be totaled.

3. It is very slow moveing without Garuda on it.

4. Destroyah, Space Godzilla, and Biollante would totally annialate it in .03 seconds no matter the pilot. For one reason Destroyah can break down and reform in full glory in limited time. Biollante's only visible weakness came from Godzilla's radiation in his beam which MG doesn't have. And Space Godzilla's Corona beam which has peircing abilities will tear into MG's rather mediocre armor easily.

5. No pilot is good enough or skilled enough to do half the things you are saying like shooting Mothra's eyes and all that. Not to mention Mothra's beams downed Godzilla in only a few hits while the only beam MG has that can hurt anything is the Plasma grenade and since that won't be pumped up from any beam except beams with radiation in it it is a moot point. Heck Mothra also has pollen which will reflect the beams back at MG anyway.

6. And even if you did blow Rodan away from Goji, Rodan pretty much 'melted down' and Godzilla absorbed the surronding radiation from it. So Goji still would have been revived from it.

No offense, just replying here...

offense not taken, just keep this a friendly debate .
Now here are my replies:

1. Heisei Mecha-Godzilla cannot take a hit from an attack at all.

1. Really? Don't be to sure about that. You must be refering to Rodan's pecking thing that took the eye power down right. Well I must say, "the eye" did'nt actually blow off, it just lost power cause when it transformed into SMG, its eye was restored. other than that, it took a beating from goji cause it over heated, not because of godzilla smacking it.

Why don't you look at other Toho stuff which has this mechagodzilla like about ALL GODZILLA GAMES that have Mechagodzilla. Its the samething, it can absorb anykind of beam and charge itself. Name one thing other than the that crappy movie that proves ur theory is right.

Toho knows all so ask them first.

2. Unless the beam is radiation based it cannot be absorbed, so King Ghidorah's gravity beams wouln't be absorbed and not to mention if he starts stomping on it, the mech will be totaled.

on the contrary, kingy will be the one who will get stomped on after it has taken the G-crushers. Even if MG can't take the gravity Beams, it will still be able to Respond by firing its other beams which will have ghidora take for cover by his wings, allowing Easy target for G-crushers (having it aimed while firing the beams), For this kind of situation I would not be the only pilot controlling MG, I would be with a good talented crew you know, and I would not certainly have to tell them what to do, except for something like "shoot his eyes" cause thats what really good organised pilots are (none of that military discipline crap here).

Destroyah, Space Godzilla, and Biollante would totally annialate it in .03 seconds no matter the pilot. For one reason Destroyah can break down and reform in full glory in limited time. Biollante's only visible weakness came from Godzilla's radiation in his beam which MG doesn't have. And Space Godzilla's Corona beam which has peircing abilities will tear into MG's rather mediocre armor easily.

I will have a stretagy for MG to annihilate them all in .02 seconds. Remember, MG is a mech, it can be modified by humans. For example it can have all laser beams exchanged for low temperature weapons for destoroyah, it won't even overheat lol .

No pilot is good enough or skilled enough to do half the things you are saying like shooting Mothra's eyes and all that. Not to mention Mothra's beams downed Godzilla in only a few hits while the only beam MG has that can hurt anything is the Plasma grenade and since that won't be pumped up from any beam except beams with radiation in it it is a moot point. Heck Mothra also has pollen which will reflect the beams back at MG anyway.

I'am hope u have understood what I wrote above about the piloting thing and weapons replacement. Other than that mothra is not a bug goddess, megalon might be a god, but not mothra. I'am sure I don't need to write further more for you to understand.

And even if you did blow Rodan away from Goji, Rodan pretty much 'melted down' and Godzilla absorbed the surronding radiation from it. So Goji still would have been revived from it.

Alright so what we should do is have mechagodzilla retreat for now and fight some other time with situation suited weapons. It did take quite a while for Godzilla to be completely revived so thats about enough for SMG to escape.

Or

Continously shoot rodan when it reaches godzilla, keep shooting. I'am sure not ALL the radiation would be absorbed. So than pelt godzilla with everything, specially paralyzer missles and than use G-crushers again instead of waiting like those dumb pilots in the movie.

3. It is very slow moveing without Garuda on it.

So whats the big deal, turn into Smg when u are in need of speed like escaping or Super ramming.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

1. Really? Don't be to sure about that. You must be refering to Rodan's pecking thing that took the eye power down right. Well I must say, "the eye" did'nt actually blow off, it just lost power cause when it transformed into SMG, its eye was restored. other than that, it took a beating from goji cause it over heated, not because of godzilla smacking it.

No, the fact that MG has the weakest armor around for a mech. MOGUERA is even better with armor. And look what happened in the first fight with Goji not to mention the fact that Rodan beat down MG bad enough where he couldn't even battle Godzilla until Garuda combined with it.

Why don't you look at other Toho stuff which has this mechagodzilla like about ALL GODZILLA GAMES that have Mechagodzilla. Its the samething, it can absorb anykind of beam and charge itself. Name one thing other than the that crappy movie that proves ur theory is right.

And? Games are one thing, but for a kaiju debate yu go by what you see in the movies since that is THE MAIN CANNON.

on the contrary, kingy will be the one who will get stomped on after it has taken the G-crushers. Even if MG can't take the gravity Beams, it will still be able to Respond by firing its other beams which will have ghidora take for cover by his wings, allowing Easy target for G-crushers (having it aimed while firing the beams), For this kind of situation I would not be the only pilot controlling MG, I would be with a good talented crew you know, and I would not certainly have to tell them what to do, except for something like "shoot his eyes" cause thats what really good organised pilots are (none of that military discipline crap here).

The G-Crusher only works on Godzilla. That is why it is call G-Crusher. And shooting the eyes won't even mater. Godzilla shots his beams at kaiju heads all the time with no effect at all, so what will those lasers do? Nothing. not to mention the only reason KG took any damage at all was beacuse the Nuke pulse severly weakened his body. He was takeing Goji's beams fine till that happened.

I will have a stretagy for MG to annihilate them all in .02 seconds. Remember, MG is a mech, it can be modified by humans. For example it can have all laser beams exchanged for low temperature weapons for destoroyah, it won't even overheat lol

Won't matter, because after the first meeting the mech would be so demolished that it would be destroyed. Not to mention a couple shots of the OD spray from Destroyah will practically leek into the circuts of MG any way.

I'am hope u have understood what I wrote above about the piloting thing and weapons replacement. Other than that mothra is not a bug goddess, megalon might be a god, but not mothra. I'am sure I don't need to write further more for you to understand.

She is a mythical creatur that has to telepathic fairies that talk to her. That equals goddess to me.

Alright so what we should do is have mechagodzilla retreat for now and fight some other time with situation suited weapons. It did take quite a while for Godzilla to be completely revived so thats about enough for SMG to escape.

So you run away.... Like Godzilla would let you.

Continously shoot rodan when it reaches godzilla, keep shooting. I'am sure not ALL the radiation would be absorbed. So than pelt godzilla with everything, specially paralyzer missles and than use G-crushers again instead of waiting like those dumb pilots in the movie.

Your right hte rest will melt MG's armor like it did in the movie. Then Goji will shoot his spiral beam and obliterate the mech again.

So whats the big deal, turn into Smg when u are in need of speed like escaping or Super ramming.

MG cannot press hth combat. He would be demolished.

[Orga777]

Oh, and BTW, Orga, Heisei MG's armor doesn't absorb armor, it absorbs heat. If you want to know why, well, here's two very brief reasons: 1), its refferred to in the movie as a heat shield, and 2), because it is made out of diamonds. Diamond works very well at absorbing heat, in fact it can absorb quite a bit of it. However, diamond cannot absorb radiation; this is easy, since Heisei Godzilla's beam is a heat beam, not a plasma or radiation beam like some claim.

I don't remember sayying it absorbed armor? Do you mean radiation? Gotta get it right BS. But yes I see what you mean, but it still won't work against KG or Mothra.

[Terminator 800]

Terminator, all of your arguments are based in fundamental errors. First of all, Kaiju Karnage is not about HOW one kaiju can defeat another, but if they CAN. We thus operate by the most likely scenario, not a detailed strategy like yours. Secondly, it appears you are using the SNES side-scroller video game "Godzilla: Kaijuu Dai Kessen" as the basis for your evidence. Please understand that for all intents purposes, we go by what happens within the movies, NOT video games. Indeed, a rule was recently put up by the administrators that specifically bars video game kaiju from the KK. There are some good reasons for this.First of all, movies can provide us with detailed evidence of what a kaiju's power level is via their performance against other kaiju, and the effects of their various attacks both against kaiju and non-kaiju targets, like the environment for instance. In a video game, these variables have been quite literally tossed to the wind. There is no set power level between kaiju in such a game, as games are designed so that one player playing as Gigan could wipe the floor with say Destroyah, when its very clear that if it was the cinematic versions of these two kaiju fighting, that Destroyah would win every single time. We know this because of what occurs in the movies both kaiju appeared in. However, video games operate on completely different sets of rules, and as such cannot be used in the KK.That said, please use an argument for the MOVIE version of Heisei Mechagodzilla, not his SNES version.Oh, and BTW, Orga, Heisei MG's armor doesn't absorb armor, it absorbs heat. If you want to know why, well, here's two very brief reasons: 1), its refferred to in the movie as a heat shield, and 2), because it is made out of diamonds. Diamond works very well at absorbing heat, in fact it can absorb quite a bit of it. However, diamond cannot absorb radiation; this is easy, since Heisei Godzilla's beam is a heat beam, not a plasma or radiation beam like some claim.

Keep the weapon modification possibility in your mind, MG is a mech, weapon changing is one of the biggest advantages of mechs, because if those other living kaijuus can have so many abilities and various advantages, You know it is pretty fair for a mech to have its weapons upgraded or replaced. keep in mind that the power of the weapon replaced would be proportional for size and weight of it (so it can fit easily, we are'nt talking about changing the mechs whole body, just its weapons and armour.)Besides that, if MG fights someone other than godzilla, than won't the humans have enough brains to replace the weapons? would they want their only hope of survival to have a pea shooter as the only weapon for fighting enemies like Destroyah.

No, the fact that MG has the weakest armor around for a mech. MOGUERA is even better with armor. And look what happened in the first fight with Goji not to mention the fact that Rodan beat down MG bad enough where he couldn't even battle Godzilla until Garuda combined with it.

1, Rodan did not have Mg beat down, it only damaged power being supplied to one of his eyes.2, No, I believe moguera does not have better armour. read movie discription at Toho Kingdom carefully. Power is something quite close to this.3, I'am saying this for the last time, "Mg was not able to fight godzilla cause it overheated."4, yeah, the humans did not anticipate that in the first fight they should have kept firing godzilla with beams and paralyzing missles when they fired G-crushers. I'am sure there is a seperate switch for all weapons.

The G-Crusher only works on Godzilla. That is why it is call G-Crusher. And shooting the eyes won't even mater. Godzilla shots his beams at kaiju heads all the time with no effect at all, so what will those lasers do? Nothing. not to mention the only reason KG took any damage at all was beacuse the Nuke pulse severly weakened his body. He was takeing Goji's beams fine till that happened.

so? exchange G-crushers with "King Ghidora" crushers. They both will do the same thing. The lasers in MG are'nt exactly what I would call cheap,uneffective,useless and being as crappy as Mecha king ghidoras beams were like. Oh and watch the movie closely he did kinda lower his heads down when godzilla shot him the first time and took about 5 seconds to get up and fly, thats pretty much enough time for MG to fire "KG" crushers to crush him.

Won't matter, because after the first meeting the mech would be so demolished that it would be destroyed. Not to mention a couple shots of the OD spray from Destroyah will practically leek into the circuts of MG any way.

OD, damage MG? don't know to much about that, but freezer guns exchanged for eye beams, Mega buster and plasma grenade could be more than enough to kill destroyah.

She is a mythical creature that has to telepathic fairies that talk to her. That equals goddess to me.

Looks more like a giant butterfly to me. oh and she has something that makes her age rapidly and become old and weak, not sure if that is in Hesie version, but mothra is just mothra.

So you run away.... Like Godzilla would let you.

King ghidora almost got away, I mean if godzilla was lying down reviving than maybe king ghidora would have actually escaped like Destroyah did (we are talking about goji here, not Super X3)

Your right hte rest will melt MG's armor like it did in the movie. Then Goji will shoot his spiral beam and obliterate the mech again.

You completely misunderstood me or ignored what I wrote, did'nt ya.

MG cannot press hth combat. He would be demolished..

Regarding rams and body collisions;Watch the movie again, specially the scene when Mg moves towards garuda for becoming SMG.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

1, Rodan did not have Mg beat down, it only damaged power being supplied to one of his eyes.

They also said in the movie that they were too damaged to fight Godzilla or something to that effect. I don't remember I haven't watched that terrible movie in a while.

2, No, I believe moguera does not have better armour. read movie discription at Toho Kingdom carefully. Power is something quite close to this.

MOGUERA took 8 repeated shots from Space Godzilla's corona beam to the exact same place before his arm came off. Add that with all the rest of the damage done to it throughout the battle with SG. You tell me what took more damage.

3, I'am saying this for the last time, "Mg was not able to fight godzilla cause it overheated."

And? He is built to destroy Godzilla. That is its only purpose. If it was so great and powerful they would have just rebuilt it instead of making MOGUERA.

4, yeah, the humans did not anticipate that in the first fight they should have kept firing godzilla with beams and paralyzing missles when they fired G-crushers.

The G-Crusher is the plan that they used to defeat Goji, not the hooks that they fired into his skin. Not like the beams hurt him anyway.

I'am sure there is a seperate switch for all weapons.so? exchange G-crushers with "King Ghidora" crushers. They both will do the same thing. The lasers in MG are'nt exactly what I would call cheap,uneffective,useless and being as crappy as Mecha king ghidoras beams were like. Oh and watch the movie closely he did kinda lower his heads down when godzilla shot him the first time and took about 5 seconds to get up and fly, thats pretty much enough time for MG to fire "KG" crushers to crush him.

LOL. Those beams hurt Godzilla. Heck MKG's beams are probably more powerful than most in the Heisei era. And no, he did lower his heads, but he didn't let out a roar of pain, he took it and flew up and started to totally own Godzilla. Not like I can say the same for MG.

OD, damage MG? don't know to much about that, but freezer guns exchanged for eye beams, Mega buster and plasma grenade could be more than enough to kill destroyah.

Well, the OD spray did a number on those stone pillars and buildings when it hit them. And it will be a little hard to have a plasma grenade against something that can't be absorbed by MG's armor being shot at it.

Looks more like a giant butterfly to me. oh and she has something that makes her age rapidly and become old and weak, not sure if that is in Hesie version, but mothra is just mothra.

Yea, it is also a moth that can fly into space. And no Heisei Mothra is vcery diffrent from Showa. You saw what it did with the symbol after Battra and Godzilla fell into the water. Thats mystical right there.

King ghidora almost got away, I mean if godzilla was lying down reviving than maybe king ghidora would have actually escaped like Destroyah did (we are talking about goji here, not Super X3)You completely misunderstood me or ignored what I wrote, did'nt ya. Regarding rams and body collisions;Watch the movie again, specially the scene when Mg moves towards garuda for becoming SMG.

MG is pathetic in hth combat. It will be owned by every kaiju that it went up against if he went into hth combat. So it flew to connect with Garuda. When they were connected did you see it ram into Godzilla? I didn't think so.

[Draco Starcloud]

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

so? exchange G-crushers with "King Ghidora" crushers. They both will do the same thing.

Where is G-Force going to get a small, docile, Ghidorah-like creature to study in order to come up with a "Ghi-Crusher"? G-Crusher wasn't a weapon in itself; it was a strategy that took advantage of Mechagodzilla's arsenal, Garuda's new combination ability, and Miki Saegusa's psychic abilities to destroy Godzilla's second brain.