03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--

[Cole Deschain]

^ Simple plots work best.

Irys screwed up. He underestimated his foe (forgiveable and common) and put in a half-hearted effort simply because he's incapable of sublimating his desires long enough to deal with, once again, the only creature that had a snowball's chance in hell of stopping him.

Arrogance is tactical stupidity of the worst kind.

[Desumaytah]

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Originally Posted by PyrasTerran

It's not that the thought didn't come to mind, it's that he didn't care. He truely saw himself superior to anything Gamera can dish out. In fact, the way Gamera defeated Irys was a one-out-of-one-hundred scenario.

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Not enough. Gamera can't defeat Irys without circumstances like what happened in the film.

(He was doing better in the air than on the ground, and was obviously capable of causing Iris physical pain)

And 3...

'Don't see where you're going with this.

Can all be answered with Cole's exquisitely precise statement about Arrogance being tactical stupidity of the worst kind.

Incorrect. If Hyper Gyaos' sonic cutter can slice through buildings with no resistance, and bounce off Gamera's hide, and Irys' sonic cutter can penetrate Gamera's top shell(something never before penetrated by an opponent in the Heisei timeline), and Gamera's body is built to withstand and repel sound attacks, then one swipe will slice Destroyah easily.

Last time I checked, almost all giant monsters were far more durable than the buildings (with thin walls and a great number of hollow compartments) that they routinely destroy, and Destoroyah's physical defense (not endurance, he's got a lot of that too, I mean resistance to injury) is severely underestimated. If Des can go up against Burning Goji's ultimate Spiral beam of radioactive, biology-screwing death for so long, when extremely powerful kaiju like SpaceGodzilla could hardly survive a lesser assault, than he's probably capable of weathering Iris' possibly-not-even-utilized sonic storm.

If not, he'll simply break down and reform, relatively unscathed.

Honestly, if Iris even does manage to get Destoroyah to break down once or twice, when the amalgamation does reform (as the full 120-meter behemoth), by your own arguments, Iris is going to see that his sonic assaults aren't quite as effective as he'd like them to be (as with Gamera) and he's going to let Destoroyah get close, to life suck, to end the battle in a quicker and far more vicious fashion. As has been discussed here at length, that's something that Iris would be better off not doing.

Why not? Ayana wouldn't be able to see Gamera's pain from so far away.

Or would she? She seemed pretty thoroughly bonded with Iris' mind, she may even have been able to visualize what Iris could have done to Gamera in the way that she visualized what Iris did to that girl in the forest. Even if that's not the case, it's pretty easy to see an 80-meter monster fighting a 99-meter monster from a distance.

All part of the plan.

Insert "idiotic and tactically disasterous" before plan, and you've got it right.

I realize that Destoroyah is as dumb as any common ant colony, but Iris is far from perfect, himself.

Damn these "honor battles"...

[Tomzilla]

I have to agree with Cole and Desumaytah's stance when it comes to regarding Irys as a tactical-moron. Pyras, you've been making it clear in this thread that the reason Irys didn't try to kill Gamera or use his full-combat potential (which can still only be based on assumption) was because of his strategy in fusing with Ayana. But with the points Cole and Desumaytah have brought up (along with ones that I have made in debates before this one), let's analyze how tactically, Irys made all these stupid mistakes and just see how his intelligence isn't as high and mighty as we've speculated in the past.

-Aerial battle-

Irys was unaware of Gamera's abilities. I don't consider him an idiot for that. But in this battle, Irys notices Gamera's hostilities towards him. Sure, Irys fends him off, which is the right thing to do, but the Mutated Gyaos doesn't wait to see if his attacker is finished off. With five different eye-angles (I honestly believe the theory about Irys having eyes in his tentacles is true and glad it was brought up, hats off to the one who mentioned it in this thread...I apologize for not remembering your name...), Irys should've been able to see that Gamera was still chasing him, even after being hit by those two Patriot missiles.

(O/T, and people ridiculed SpaceGodzilla's intelligence for leaving Moguera out in space, and not finishing him off. Same can be applied for Irys.)

Also bringing up a point Desumaytah brought up, if Irys was as intelligent that is believed, then why was he bringing Gamera to Kyoto? Or was he truly that oblivious and didn't notice he was being followed? You'd think if you are seeking to become a perfect, omnipotent being by fusing with Ayana (that is the best reason why), you wouldn't endanger her life by bringing a creature who had attacked you and shown the capability of killing you, to her.

-Kyoto Battle-

Irys lands at a considerable distance away from his target. Personally, I think it was idiotic; I would've landed closer and fused with her immediately. But then if Irys knew he was being followed, it would've been a smart decision; however, if Irys knew he was being followed, he shouldn't have come there in the first place, knowing Gamera would be there. So either way you look at it, it was a tactical error and shows stupidity on Irys' part.

Gamera lands in front of Irys. Now, Irys was attacked by Gamera already. He knew that Gamera was after him by now. But he allowed Gamera to attack him first. Gamera attacked him first already, but now Irys allowed him. To me, those sonic beams already drew blood. A weapon potent enough to penetrate Gamera's shell would prove effective against Gamera. I'd use it again. But Irys doesn't and resorts to physical combat. That would be like putting away your gun, and moving in close to fight a Bear with a machete. In combat, usually it would be smarter to use long-distance weaponry. Better chance of survival.

This is when Irys makes another stupid move. Tactically speaking, if you are seeking to bond with someone, and need them alive, you wouldn't go towards them when you are being attacked by a monster as powerful as Gamera. In other words, did Irys not notice Kyoto covered with flames? The devastating power Gamera has? Apparently, it didn't matter to him. Instead of killing Gamera out there in the distance, thereby preventing any harm to Ayana and the inevitable fusion with none to stop him, Irys just was being a showoff and strided towards Ayana, carrying Gamera with him.

It gets worse.

The one person Irys needs to fuse with to achieve greatness is now at risk. Irys once again underestimates his foe, and is surprised to see that Gamera has pulled out his blade, spun him around and crashed him through the Train Station. Tactically, Gamera is the smarter fighter here -- even if he loves Asagi, he knows if Irys succeeds, it's all over, thus he doesn't let that cloud his priority, and is willing to do whatever it takes -- and we watch as Asagi and Co., have to SAVE Ayana from being smashed.

She could've been killed, and Irys would've been screwed. What Irys would've sought would've all been for naught. And he would've been to blame, for not thinking logically.


And I thought Irys was a smart, intelligent monster. Now that I ponder on it, he doesn't seem that scary when it comes to strategic fights/thinking.

Just combining what Desumaytah and Cole have been saying all along into a single demonstration.

[Cole Deschain]

And by way of contrast, let's look at the actions of a different kaiju fought by Gamera, but whose intelligence is seldom praised- Legion.

Unlike Irys, Legion never took Gamera for granted. After that first fight, the Legion Flower went off, essentially putting Gamera on ice for a time.

However, when Gamera reappeared, Legion didn't simply stick to her old pattern, even though she'd had comparatively little trouble from Gamera before.

Instead, her first shot out of the box was to call the Swarm, which all but thrashed Gamera once already. Then she began her personal assault, relying, as usual, upon her EM beam. But when Gamera disarmed that, she went right to the energy harpoons (to call them whips the way we do is horribly misleading).

And Gamera wasn't really her chief concern, either. She was trying to get to Tokyo, to seed a new flower. Gamera was just a repeated nuisance. However, since he was there, he was worth fighting all-out- and if the humans hadn't diverted the Sawrm, Gamera would have lost.

Legion, who seems marginally more intelligent than the Gyaos, demonstrated a better use of her arsenal and superior tactical skill than Irys did- and Tomzilla's point about Ayana's fragility is also well-considered. The most important thing in Irys' life, and he leads a giant, hostile, fire-breathing turtle right to her. Smooth move.

[Saruman]

Originally Posted by Tomzilla

So in other words, you are basically changing your outlook when you are replying to my separate theories. It’s true Jeff, since I’m not blind; I’ve been reading your posts that continue to say you believe SpaceGodzilla can regenerate superficial wounds, and then suddenly you are denying SG can’t heal his flesh just because he can’t heal his crystals (i.e. Shoulder crystals).

No Tom, I am giving you replies based on your way of looking at it, and then on my way of looking at it, that seems to be what is confusing you.

And his organs and other crystal parts are in different thickness and shapes too, Jeff. But you deny they wouldn’t be able to heal just as fast as his flesh. They are all different, but you judge them the same. This is why I lean towards there being different types of crystals in his body. Remember, SG has the same cells as Godzilla. The properties that make up Godzilla’s own DNA are the same. That and in that SG Bio picture, we even see different crystals inside.

The crystals are the same Tom. The crystals attached to the flesh cells are the same as the crystals on the shoulders. The difference is that one is pure crystal and exceptionally large and the other is microscopic. And Tom you do know that the exact same crystal can look different in color because of thicknees, shape, light and other factors.

Just by judging the wound Moguera’s drill nose engraved, the depth it succeeded in inflicting would be enough to carve a hole in those nearby crystal organs beneath SpaceGodzilla’s chest area. According to your belief that there are no different crystals, and since SpaceGodzilla’s cells must be the same in every part of his body, then those crystals organs should be able to heal such a penetration just as fast as his flesh was able to.

Tom you do understand that the crystals your seeing in the neck are the spinal cord crystals? Moguera is not even close to any crystal organs. The closest thing he would be near would be the collar bone. That drill didn't even go in deep enough to do damage to that.

And that wound was instantly healed. Given the size of the wound and how fast it was gone (really fast), if everything in SG’s body is made up of the same cells, then those shoulder crystals should’ve shown signs of healing. If those cells make up everything in his body, including the crystals, then those crystals should’ve healed. But they didn’t. The reason is because there would have to be a different DNA structure in SG’s organic and crystal parts. If they all share the same cell structure, then they should all share the same regenerative abilities/speed. But that isn’t the case, thus your own theory is flawed.

No it's not Tom, your missing what I am saying. The crystals are exactly the same. Now those crystals are also part of his flesh cells on a microscopic scale, as shown in the picture. Microscopic is the key word there.

I think the cores are more important than the stems, but the stems are needed for the cores to receive the energy needed. The cores can summon the energy they need, but the stems are there for a reason and connected with the cores—the stems relay the energy to the cores to feed them.

Or the stems allow him to only channel energy up through the shoulder crystals, like when SG was using the Gravity Tornado. The only energy was coming out of the Shoulder Crystals. If the Core was damaged he probably wouldn't be able to use his Corona Beam after they are destroyed or send the energy into his tail so he could lift Moguera and throw him.

It’s just you are looking at the cells, seeing how different they are in appearance than their G-Cell counterparts, and assume it is different. In appearance, they are; but what makes those cells up, their properties, are the same. The people in the movie mention that, saying the cells are exactly the same. That is why I don’t care about how different they look; I’m more interested in what makes them up. So those crystals inside those cells are made up of what makes the rest of the cell, which in return makes up Godzilla’s cells. In translation, those crystals carry the same makeup as the rest of the cell. So if those cells can heal the non-crystal parts of the cell, then those crystals should be able to heal too. Makes no difference if they are the big crystals you see on SpaceGodzilla’s back or not, if they are all made up of the same cells, then they still should all be able to heal rapidly.

You do realise that they do actually say the cells are different dont you?

Originally Posted by Film Quote

The structure of the cellular membrane. cytoplasm. as well as the ribosome. Gilgi apparatus. Lissome. and centroli are the exact same with a few minor differences.

Now I don't know about you, but the cells can't be the exact same if there are any differences at all. They are very similar but there are differences.

Which is why I just think the shoulder crystals are made up of different cells, and even other crystals too. Mostly the shoulder crystals, since they were the only thing damaged and showed no signs of instantly regenerating at all.

The pure crystal parts of the shoulder crystals don't have any Godzilla flesh. Which is why I explained how they could heal in my previous post.

But you still are going against your own logic in this case by believing Godzilla could rapidly regenerate a huge gaping wound in his belly. You’ve never seen it happen, but you assume it can occur based on Godzilla rapidly regenerating his superficial wounds successfully. (Even though that wasn’t the case when Godzilla failed to instantly regenerate the wound the grenade inflicted in his flesh.) But since you see SpaceGodzilla fail to rapidly regenerate his shoulder crystals, and then this must be the case for all his crystals. But if his crystals are made up of the same DNA that is in his flesh, then they should’ve still regenerated just as fast. You accuse me of not being able to have an argument both ways, but you don’t follow your own advice in the process.

I am not going against what I said Tom. I gave you examples, the cuts he received from Destroyah being one of them, which gutted him. What happened there Tom, Godzilla healed that wound. And no Tom, just because you don't coun't Burning Goji means nothing, he is Godzilla and you can't pick and choose which ones count simply because they don't support your theory., doesn't work like that.

And again you don't pay attention to what I said. I said the crystal parts of the skin cells are the same crystal in the other parts of his body Tom. I never said they were different, your the one claiming that they are.

Besides, earlier you were claiming that Irys could be as alien to this world as Destroyah, even more different. But now you are treating SpaceGodzilla’s crystals as if they were the type of material you could find here on Earth. These are crystallized organisms that were assimilated by G-Cells in space. They are as alien to us as Grand Ghidorah would be.

Tom, where did I say his crystals were like those found on Earth? Answer, I didn't. I was showing you how his crystals could heal if given enough time. I never said they were like anything on Earth.

By the way, when those G-Cells assimilated the crystallized organisms, the crystals had to regenerate in great numbers, along with the G-Cells, in order to create a new organism that would eventually become SpaceGodzilla. Those crystal fragments had to regenerate, quite rapidly. Even in his birth, those crystals needed to regenerate and prosper. In my opinion, I believe those crystals, like the G-Cells, evolved in his making, eventually creating different types of cells (like our body made different types of cells, such as White Blood Cells, or Red Blood Cells, etc…). In doing so, certain cells were in different parts of the body. For more, just analyze my belief that SG had different types of crystals, and different types of cells.

Tom, the crystals don't regenerate, SG is a lifeform, he grew into what he is. The crystals themselves are a LIFEFORM Tom, you do get that don't you.

You have an open mind? Could’ve fooled me.

Funny, because I am the only one that has given anything here Tom, I have agreed that he can regenerate superfical wounds to his flesh. What ground have you given?

If you know that, why are you passing your opinions off as a fact, and dismissing my own when our logics are not that diverse?

For the exact same reason that you are doing exactly the same thing Tom.

Why are you trying to prove the “bone structure” is crystal? I don’t see any signs of the crystal in the toe-region. What I see is tiny strands of yellow in certain areas of the legs, but that’s it. So now you are trying to prove that the bones are crystals? Why is that? If we accept that, that would imply SG has three different types of crystals in his body. Just by looking at the bio-picture, some crystals are yellow, others are purple, and now if we follow your logic the third crystals would be white.

Maybe because I actually have the book that the picture came from and can see it at it's full size Tom. I even enlarged this for you.


Don't you just hate being wrong Tom?

Hell, I could analyze Moguera’s drill nose into SpaceGodzilla’s neck, and make a good argument the drill actually damaged the bone you can find in the neck. But we know the story about that wound being instantly regenerated. Guess that would mean SG can regenerate bone…i.e. crystals…rapidly. And that SG does have different types of crystals. And for those certain crystals, he can heal them just as fast as superficial wounds.

Go for it if you want to Tom, I have more pics to prove you wrong. Not to mention that you would have to prove there was damage to the crystal and that it regenerated, something that you can hardly do.

In order to extend the length of your crystals and make them bigger/longer, there would need to be an abnormal growth of cells in order to do such a thing. These cells would need to regenerate, creating extra-copies, accelerating rapidly. For such a manipulation, SG would have to regenerate rapidly at a cellular level. Plus, if SpaceGodzilla can manipulate the growth of his crystal spines rapidly (and crystals period), why couldn’t he do that in healing his shoulder crystals? Even when damaged, if SG can rapidly increase the number of cells in his crystals in extending in length and width, he should be able to do such a thing in healing. The more cells increasing, the better chance the wound is rapidly regenerating itself. We’re talking about a monster that can generate crystals in seconds. But can’t regenerate (shoulder) crystals just as fast. Why is that? He can create crystal life so fast, but can’t repair them just as fast. That just doesn’t make sense. Why can’t he just create more life from damaged crystals? Only logical thing that can come about that even treads on the possibility of logic is there are different types of crystals, which regenerate at different speeds, off and on. An easy way to look at this by trying to see which crystals can heal faster than others is the area. Depending on the area can make a better decision in who heals the fastest. This is because in that area, the odds are they are in relation to what heals just as fast, since they are in the same spot and would be similar to the other portions of the body.

For starters Tom, what does creating crystal have to do with healing crystal? Just because you can make something does not mean you can repair it. It also doesn't mean that he can generat the crystal inside of him since all of it is done EXTERNALLY. Not to mention that you are totally missing the point AGAIN. SG can create crystals very very rapidly, we have seen it happen. He can also generate a crystal Shield out of thin air. I guess he must have regenerated crystals to from that shield. He is simply creating a crystal shell for him to fly through space in. For some reason though you have come to the conclusion that it must be regeneration, go figure, if SG has any powers at all they must be related to regeneration.

Such as SpaceGodzilla’s neck wound, just next door to those crystal organs in the chest. I think you know where I’m getting at.

Yes, a wrong conclusion.

By the way, you’ll notice that in his flying form, his feet and ankles are encased like you said. But look at closely. Looks as if the skin is trying to crawl over the crystals, just like his shoulder crystals. I think his feet and ankles were able to manipulate their own appearance, and change into crystals. With that said if his flesh can heal but turn into crystals, why can’t those crystals heal, even though they can turn into living flesh, back and forth?

Because once again your WRONG.


The crystals are not turning into flesh Tom, I don't know where your getting that idea. Notice the difference between the shoulder crystal and all the other crystals Tom. On the shoulder crystals, the flesh is on the outside of the crystal and it's a very rugged outline. All the other crystals simply merge with the flesh nice and smoothly. Its not a really rough outline like you see on the shoulder crystals.

Also notice that the blue outline of his flesh is expanded outside of his normal body frame. Like I said he generates crystal from his back spines. He is litterly splitting his body open down his back as the crystals pop out to form the shell, the flesh expands out as the crystals emerge. Then when he wants to land the shell disappears and his body returns to normal. He isn't doing any damage to himself, it's simply an ability. It has nothing to do with regeneration in any possible way either.

This begs the question if SG can turn his own feet and ankles into crystals, then why not his organs? Why not other parts of his body? Possibilities are there.

Because his organs are already crystal Tom. All he is doing is creating a shell that helps him with his flying. Do you think it would be easier for SG to fly in his shell form or if he stayed in his normal land form? It's a pretty simple answer. SG doesn't have any wings and he's huge and bulky, he needs to beable to transform so that he can fly, otherwise he isn't going anywhere.

[PyrasTerran]

Here I go.

Last time I checked, almost all giant monsters were far more durable than the buildings (with thin walls and a great number of hollow compartments) that they routinely destroy, and Destoroyah's physical defense (not endurance, he's got a lot of that too, I mean resistance to injury) is severely underestimated. If Des can go up against Burning Goji's ultimate Spiral beam of radioactive, biology-screwing death for so long, when extremely powerful kaiju like SpaceGodzilla could hardly survive a lesser assault, than he's probably capable of weathering Iris' possibly-not-even-utilized sonic storm.

"So long"?

After some hits of the red beam, Destroyah had to break himself down to stay alive, and the moment the real spiral beam came into play, Destroyah quickly fled. He did stand up to Burning Goji for a long time, but keep in mind that if it wasn't for his repairing abilities, he would have died much sooner/quicker into the fight. I find it more impressive that he withstood Godzilla's radiation for so long.

Honestly, if Iris even does manage to get Destoroyah to break down once or twice, when the amalgamation does reform (as the full 120-meter behemoth), by your own arguments, Iris is going to see that his sonic assaults aren't quite as effective as he'd like them to be (as with Gamera) and he's going to let Destoroyah get close, to life suck, to end the battle in a quicker and far more vicious fashion. As has been discussed here at length, that's something that Iris would be better off not doing.

I don't exactly remember myself getting into that subject(Irys coming in close), so briefly explain to me why impaling Destroyah would be a bad thing.

And actually, I've discovered something that won't be pretty for Destroyah fans.

Or would she? She seemed pretty thoroughly bonded with Iris' mind, she may even have been able to visualize what Iris could have done to Gamera in the way that she visualized what Iris did to that girl in the forest. Even if that's not the case, it's pretty easy to see an 80-meter monster fighting a 99-meter monster from a distance.

I don't think Ayana would be satisfied with that view of the battle.

Insert "idiotic and tactically disasterous" before plan, and you've got it right.

The only disaster is Irys underestimating Gamera.

I realize that Destoroyah is as dumb as any common ant colony, but Iris is far from perfect, himself.

He's not perfect. That's why he was trying to fuse with Ayana.

Irys should've been able to see that Gamera was still chasing him, even after being hit by those two Patriot missiles.

Actually, Tom, that idea is blown out of the water when you know that when Irys splits his tentacles out to form his energy sails, the orbs that were in each spear disappear. So his only sight is the eye in his skull at those times. So, no, Irys couldn't have seen Gamera behind him, especially after he was already a speck in the horizon with the time the JSDF gave him.

(O/T, and people ridiculed SpaceGodzilla's intelligence for leaving Moguera out in space, and not finishing him off. Same can be applied for Irys.)

I don't see why he should have finished off MOGUERA, it's not finishing off Godzilla that is a more viable complaint towards his intelligence(seeing as now arrogance seems to be the counter as to whether or not something is intelligent).

Irys lands at a considerable distance away from his target. Personally, I think it was idiotic; I would've landed closer and fused with her immediately. But then if Irys knew he was being followed, it would've been a smart decision; however, if Irys knew he was being followed, he shouldn't have come there in the first place, knowing Gamera would be there. So either way you look at it, it was a tactical error and shows stupidity on Irys' part.

Either way IF Irys knew he was being followed, which he didn't.

And I already brought up a perfectly reasonable theory; Irys being unable to pinpoint where Ayana is exactly, so he lands at the edge of the city to get better "reception". After all, if he simply landed into anywhere he might have guessed Ayana was near, he could accidentally crush her with a stray tentacle swipe at the building.

Gamera lands in front of Irys. Now, Irys was attacked by Gamera already. He knew that Gamera was after him by now. But he allowed Gamera to attack him first. Gamera attacked him first already, but now Irys allowed him. To me, those sonic beams already drew blood. A weapon potent enough to penetrate Gamera's shell would prove effective against Gamera. I'd use it again. But Irys doesn't and resorts to physical combat. That would be like putting away your gun, and moving in close to fight a Bear with a machete. In combat, usually it would be smarter to use long-distance weaponry. Better chance of survival.

A bear with a machete?? Irys completely owns Gamera in HTH.

And you were so quick to say that Gamera completely healed Irys's beam damage, to prove a point that Irys' beams aren't as cracked up as they are to be. Why, now, are they a threat to Gamera's life?

This is when Irys makes another stupid move. Tactically speaking, if you are seeking to bond with someone, and need them alive, you wouldn't go towards them when you are being attacked by a monster as powerful as Gamera. In other words, did Irys not notice Kyoto covered with flames? The devastating power Gamera has? Apparently, it didn't matter to him. Instead of killing Gamera out there in the distance, thereby preventing any harm to Ayana and the inevitable fusion with none to stop him, Irys just was being a showoff and strided towards Ayana, carrying Gamera with him.

Irys was confident, and Ayana didn't get hurt. It was a wreckless maneuver that still worked. I don't see the problem. I would if Ayana was actually injured during the take.

I also don't see how the way Irys brings his terrapin opponent close to Ayana to pwn him close enough for her to see has anything to do with this fight. He's not showing off to anyone in this DD, so why will he be so dense as you guys see it to do so?

The one person Irys needs to fuse with to achieve greatness is now at risk. Irys once again underestimates his foe, and is surprised to see that Gamera has pulled out his blade, spun him around and crashed him through the Train Station. Tactically, Gamera is the smarter fighter here -- even if he loves Asagi, he knows if Irys succeeds, it's all over, thus he doesn't let that cloud his priority, and is willing to do whatever it takes -- and we watch as Asagi and Co., have to SAVE Ayana from being smashed.

Did you forget that at mid-toss Irys countered the push and sent Gamera to the floor?

Moreover, how does showing Gamera's strategy make things get "worse" for your thesis on Irys' tactical stupidity?

Also, what are you talking about Asagi and co. saving Ayana from being smashed? They never did such a thing. They pulled her away from the fence, even though NO debri came out into the fence. If anything, exactly where Ayana was was exactly the safest place to be, because guess who got killed/injured? Everyone else! The bird-lady got injured in the very place she took Ayana to, and the place where Ayana was "saved" from never received any debri. Which is why Ayana rushed to that place again.

So, why did Gamera try to drive Irys into Ayana if later on he tries saving her? After all, he could have easily ended Ayana's pain by crushing her in his palm, rupturing the organ and allowing his left hand to be free for usage against Irys. Wouldn't that have been more effective?

Furthermore, what does Irys' tactics in such a precise mission as keeping Ayana's faith and hatred bonded to him while beating up on her "worst enemy" have to do with Irys' tactics in actual combat-trying-to-kill-you tactics? Unless you can show me another kaiju that even WENT through this kind mission and isn't a robot/part human and did their mission with far greater finesse, I don't see how you all can deduce Irys will suck at fighting just because he ultimately failed at tricking a girl. It's like saying Micheal Jordan's talents in his game were crap by looking at his shoddy acting skills.

And by way of contrast, let's look at the actions of a different kaiju fought by Gamera, but whose intelligence is seldom praised- Legion.

Unlike Irys, Legion never took Gamera for granted. After that first fight, the Legion Flower went off, essentially putting Gamera on ice for a time.

However, when Gamera reappeared, Legion didn't simply stick to her old pattern, even though she'd had comparatively little trouble from Gamera before.

Instead, her first shot out of the box was to call the Swarm, which all but thrashed Gamera once already. Then she began her personal assault, relying, as usual, upon her EM beam. But when Gamera disarmed that, she went right to the energy harpoons (to call them whips the way we do is horribly misleading).

And Gamera wasn't really her chief concern, either. She was trying to get to Tokyo, to seed a new flower. Gamera was just a repeated nuisance. However, since he was there, he was worth fighting all-out- and if the humans hadn't diverted the Sawrm, Gamera would have lost.

Legion's intelligence doesn't need praising or recognition. By being insectoid in nature, people should know without arguement that she will never underestimate her opponent, adding to her already deadly arsenal.

The most important thing in Irys' life, and he leads a giant, hostile, fire-breathing turtle right to her. Smooth move.

Gamera obviously wasn't so hostile anymore to care about Ayana. And wasn't Gamera trying to stop Irys from reaching the station? Irys wasn't leading him there, he was pushing Gamera out of the way and Gamera kept getting in the way.


Not done for yet, far from it

[Cole Deschain]

Originally Posted by PyrasTerran

I don't exactly remember myself getting into that subject(Irys coming in close), so briefly explain to me why impaling Destroyah would be a bad thing.

There's some talk that

1) Des could be impossible to drain (which I don't buy. Des is essentially an Earth animal, even if he's a very, very weird, mutated one)

2) Absorbing Des' life-force could be bad mojo for Irys- akin to drinking Drano. I'm not sure about this one, either.

The only disaster is Irys underestimating Gamera.

Pointlessly underestimating Gamera. Once again, sublimate your desires, and deal with the only possible obstacle to your goals. It's really simple- sure, he manhandled Gamera up to that point, but does that reall mean he should be willing to endanger Ayana by bringing the fight so close to her that he has to rely on outsiders to save her?



And arrogance isn;t a measure of actual intelligence- it's a measure of tactical stupidity. Don't try to muddy the issue, when everybody (including me) has gone out of the way to admit that yes, Irys is fairly bright for a kaiju- but a tactical buffoon. Spacegodzilla was certainly no ntactical genius. He, like Irys, just coasted on his vast level of personal power. Tactically? Not the sharpest pencil in the box, either.

And I already brought up a perfectly reasonable theory; Irys being unable to pinpoint where Ayana is exactly, so he lands at the edge of the city to get better "reception". After all, if he simply landed into anywhere he might have guessed Ayana was near, he could accidentally crush her with a stray tentacle swipe at the building.

Pyras, in that case, he should have taken his battle with Gamera away from her once the Terrapin of Doom caught up, perhaps cranking up the juice on his telepathic link if he really wanted Ayana to see the fight.

Irys was confident, and Ayana didn't get hurt. It was a wreckless maneuver that still worked. I don't see the problem. I would if Ayana was actually injured during the take.

Just because a risk doesn't have its worst consequence meterialize doesn't mean it wasn't a bad idea. After all, suppose the now-supposedly indifferent to humanity (and Irys has no way of knowing one or the other) had sent a stray fireball right into the station? Good-by Asagi, good-by ornithologist lady, goodbye Ayana.

I also don't see how the way Irys brings his terrapin opponent close to Ayana to pwn him close enough for her to see has anything to do with this fight. He's not showing off to anyone in this DD, so why will he be so dense as you guys see it to do so?

Bringing his fight with Gamera to Ayana is needless endangerment of the being he supposedly values above all others. That is the point- especially since Ayana did see through Irys' tentacle "eye" at least once before.

Also, what are you talking about Asagi and co. saving Ayana from being smashed? They never did such a thing. They pulled her away from the fence, even though NO debri came out into the fence. If anything, exactly where Ayana was was exactly the safest place to be, because guess who got killed/injured? Everyone else! The bird-lady got injured in the very place she took Ayana to, and the place where Ayana was "saved" from never received any debri.

Gppd luck does not excuse needless risk.

Which is why Ayana rushed to that place again.

No, Ayana stupidly wanted a ringside seat at a fight between two giant monsters.

So, why did Gamera try to drive Irys into Ayana if later on he tries saving her? After all, he could have easily ended Ayana's pain by crushing her in his palm, rupturing the organ and allowing his left hand to be free for usage against Irys. Wouldn't that have been more effective?

Gamera obviously cares. Don't ask me why, but personally, yes, I would have crushed her. I'm not a very nice person.

Furthermore, what does Irys' tactics in such a precise mission as keeping Ayana's faith and hatred bonded to him while beating up on her "worst enemy" have to do with Irys' tactics in actual combat-trying-to-kill-you tactics?

Because they are all we have ever seen Irys demonstrate.

It's like saying Micheal Jordan's talents in his game were crap by looking at his shoddy acting skills.

No, it's like saying Pickett's charge was a bad idea, even if Robert E. Lee was a quite skilled and intelligent general. Which it was.

Gamera obviously wasn't so hostile anymore to care about Ayana. And wasn't Gamera trying to stop Irys from reaching the station? Irys wasn't leading him there, he was pushing Gamera out of the way and Gamera kept getting in the way.

Then Irys should have stopped showboating at that point and cut loose. None of this "one arm spike shoudl be enough" garbage. Just kill him, if he's being this big of a pain. Use both arms, all your tentacles, just hack him to pieces. If nothing else, Irys is intelligent enough to know frustration- and it wouldn;t have hurt his long-term goals one bit to slaughter Gamera with all the power at his disposal right in front of Ayana. Far from it, actually. After all, if Ayana had seen a display of power that close at hand, she wouldn't have minded.

[PyrasTerran]

There's some talk that

1) Des could be impossible to drain (which I don't buy. Des is essentially an Earth animal, even if he's a very, very weird, mutated one)

2) Absorbing Des' life-force could be bad mojo for Irys- akin to drinking Drano. I'm not sure about this one, either.

1) You're right, I can understand people mouthing about Legion being impossible to drain, but Destroyah is still a terrestrial creature, still has Mana within him.

2) I'm pretty sure Irys converts any energy he drains so that he can effectively use it.

Because they are all we have ever seen Irys demonstrate.

And once again all our bickering goes down to this essential arguement(which is why i won't bother responding to the other parts of the post): Will Irys fight against Destroyah as if Ayana were present or will he not? According to you, he will. Or at least, that is what you're making it seem.

Then Irys should have stopped showboating at that point and cut loose. None of this "one arm spike shoudl be enough" garbage. Just kill him, if he's being this big of a pain. Use both arms, all your tentacles, just hack him to pieces. If nothing else, Irys is intelligent enough to know frustration- and it wouldn;t have hurt his long-term goals one bit to slaughter Gamera with all the power at his disposal right in front of Ayana. Far from it, actually. After all, if Ayana had seen a display of power that close at hand, she wouldn't have minded.

Cole, in Irys' mindset, that impale should have killed Gamera. Gamera shouldn't have gotten back up. He did, and this isn't simply Irys underestimating Gamera, but Gamera defying his own body's condition. The "Irys should have used more than one impale" is a pointless arguement, because it only took one impale to take out Gamera. How is Irys supposed to know Gamera would do the impossible and rise from massive blood loss and organ rupture? He wasn't about to beat a dead horse, especially since Ayana was right next to him for the taking.

[PyrasTerran]

Bah, might as well

Bringing his fight with Gamera to Ayana is needless endangerment of the being he supposedly values above all others. That is the point- especially since Ayana did see through Irys' tentacle "eye" at least once before.

Oh, so Irys is gonna be training Destroyah towards his one desire? Again, Irys has no reason to stall anything in this fight, so what does bringing Gamera near Ayana have anything to do with this fight? You still haven't answered it, you only keep saying that it was a bad idea.

Gppd luck does not excuse needless risk.

Needless risk that won't happen again in this fight because Irys is true-blue-set on killing Destroyah, not just beating him up to impress Ayana.

No, Ayana stupidly wanted a ringside seat at a fight between two giant monsters.

Which also led to not being killed or injured, don't ignore that.

Just because a risk doesn't have its worst consequence meterialize doesn't mean it wasn't a bad idea. After all, suppose the now-supposedly indifferent to humanity (and Irys has no way of knowing one or the other) had sent a stray fireball right into the station? Good-by Asagi, good-by ornithologist lady, goodbye Ayana.

Cole, did you not see the explosion that lit up the entire station? Even if a plasma ball was launched in there, it's pretty apparent that it would have done nothing to the girls out of sheer movie-gone-keeping-the-heroes-alive.

Pyras, in that case, he should have taken his battle with Gamera away from her once the Terrapin of Doom caught up, perhaps cranking up the juice on his telepathic link if he really wanted Ayana to see the fight.

How would being farther away from Ayana crank up the telepathic link??

it's a measure of tactical stupidity. Don't try to muddy the issue, when everybody (including me) has gone out of the way to admit that yes, Irys is fairly bright for a kaiju- but a tactical buffoon. Spacegodzilla was certainly no ntactical genius. He, like Irys, just coasted on his vast level of personal power. Tactically? Not the sharpest pencil in the box, either.

This is the problem, Cole, it's not that I'm won't admit that Irys showed arrogance that led to his downfall in the movie, it's that this kind of arrogance is NOT going to affect him in THIS FIGHT. He's not going to keep on the defensive because he's waiting to fuse with someone. He's not going to leave an opponent lying on the ground with one injury so he could quickly get to Ayana. He's NOT going to the fight the same way he did in G3, he's NOT going to be distracted. So why, according to you all, must he fight as if he WERE distracted???

Yes, Irys $%&#ed up in the movie. Big whoop. Why is he going to fight with the same plan in his mind? That's like saying Orga will never drain DNA from any other opponent because he only wanted Godzilla, and that that stubbornness will carry on into these fights.

[Tomzilla]

Good news, I'm taking the night off and let us all enjoy some rest...


Bad news, I just finished editing a movie my friends and I are working on. Took 5 hours. We're not even close to being done.

Really bad news, I'll be rejuvinated enough tomorrow to continue this interesting debate.

[Cole Deschain]

^ Too bad the fight's over, eh Tom?

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by Cole Deschain

^ Too bad the fight's over, eh Tom?

Yeah...but this debate is too interesting to pass up.

[Saruman]

Originally Posted by Tomzilla

Good news, I'm taking the night off and let us all enjoy some rest...


Bad news, I just finished editing a movie my friends and I are working on. Took 5 hours. We're not even close to being done.

Really bad news, I'll be rejuvinated enough tomorrow to continue this interesting debate.

What's the movie about?

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by Saruman

What's the movie about?

Our plot is:

A depressed professor who has a history in creating useless inventions, experiences a revelation. In his moments of pain and misery, the professor invents a Time Machine, and accidentally travels back in time to the Vietnam War.

Upon returning, wounded from his time-traveling experience, the Professor acknowledges his accidental invention with glee. He invites his peers, those who have doubted his work, to see his latest discovery. In their own way, they reveal their attitude about a Time Machine.

Eventually, a horrible accident occurs when one of the people end up in the past, where a tribe of cannibals attack him. Upon returning, they learn he has inherited a terrible disease that makes its host go psychotic. After extensive research, it appears the disease was cured long ago; they realize they need to go find that cure, otherwise the disease could break out. As they leave, they soon realize that not only must they avoid the cannibalistic tribe from getting them, but also the infected psychopath who breaks free...to helpless travelers who have gone back in time and are at his unforgiving mercy.

Can they get the medicine in time? Will they live long enough? Shall the disease break out? Will humanity learn the hard price of messing with history?


That is what we all will learn in TIMEBOUND.

...It is a mixture of comedy, adventure, suspense, and etc. Yes, it is orientated by comedy too. We wanted a good mixture to let everyone enjoy it.

[PyrasTerran]

We wanted a good mixture to let everyone enjoy it.

Sounds alot like a Sommers movie

[Tomzilla]

Well, I apologize in advance if people just want this debate to end. I can't control that, since just because the fight is over, the discussion we've been having (between me and Jeff) didn't really revolve around the DD-Fight anymore. Besides, don't you just love information? Nah, I bet people just love seeing Jeff and me duking it out.


But for Pyras, you've already explained what needed to be said. I disagree on some points, naturally, but you did prove your point in what you were getting at.

To start things off:


PyrasTerran-

Sounds alot like a Sommers movie

Yes and no. We just don't have any CGI...




Saruman-

No Tom, I am giving you replies based on your way of looking at it, and then on my way of looking at it, that seems to be what is confusing you.

But in doing so, you are changing your outlook. Allow me to explain: You are giving replies based on my way of looking at it, in the process you say SpaceGodzilla can’t heal his flesh; but when you explain your way of looking at it, you then say SG can heal superficial wounds. Difference is the way I look at it, saying he can heal his flesh is the same at saying he can heal superficial wounds. So really, I don’t see where you’re going with this with statement.

The crystals are the same Tom. The crystals attached to the flesh cells are the same as the crystals on the shoulders. The difference is that one is pure crystal and exceptionally large and the other is microscopic. And Tom you do know that the exact same crystal can look different in color because of thicknees, shape, light and other factors.

No it's not Tom, your missing what I am saying. The crystals are exactly the same. Now those crystals are also part of his flesh cells on a microscopic scale, as shown in the picture. Microscopic is the key word there.

Alright, we’re on the verge of getting to what I’ve been trying to explain to you. Good, insanity hasn’t kicked in. Now, I’ve been trying to explain to you that the cells that are in SG’s organic parts and the interior crystals are different than the shoulder crystals, or the ones you’d find sticking out of SG’s back. On a microscopic scale, we see tiny crystals attached to the cells. Now then, the crystal shards attached to the cells is the actual crystallized organism SG assimilated with. The crystallized organism does not have the same DNA as SG. It wasn’t identical before they bonded, and it is not identical when they joined. If they were, then the crystal parts would’ve shown signs of regeneration. But those shoulder crystals didn’t at all.

Now then, I believe those shoulder crystals and other crystals of the same makeup/place, have different cells. These different cells are the crystallized organisms’. The ones G-Force retrieved were the G-Cells, but slightly mutated to become SG’s. The monster’s flesh was the only cells they had. Not crystal fragments, but flesh. The flesh results showed an exact (with slight differences) duplicate of Godzilla’s. The flesh managed to instantly heal a wound. But the shoulder crystals failed.

I don’t feel like repeating the same tune. It makes sense to me. Basically, I’m trying to tell you the crystal parts of SG’s cells eventually grew, and formed the shoulder crystals, and other crystals we saw, apparently giving the impression the crystal part overpowered the SG-Skin-Cells. You’d notice that when see the skin edging around the shoulder crystals from beneath, looking as if it tried to ‘crawl’ up. Also why you see some of SG’s skin at times inside those crystals…

Tom you do understand that the crystals your seeing in the neck are the spinal cord crystals? Moguera is not even close to any crystal organs. The closest thing he would be near would be the collar bone. That drill didn't even go in deep enough to do damage to that.

No Jeff, I’m not talking about that. Look closely: “Just by judging the wound Moguera’s drill nose engraved, the depth it succeeded in inflicting would be enough to carve a hole in those nearby crystal organs beneath SpaceGodzilla’s chest area.” – Since those organs are made up of the same cells that are everywhere in SpaceGodzilla’s body, he should be able to heal them just as fast, if we go with your belief that all the cells are the same.

Or the stems allow him to only channel energy up through the shoulder crystals, like when SG was using the Gravity Tornado. The only energy was coming out of the Shoulder Crystals. If the Core was damaged he probably wouldn't be able to use his Corona Beam after they are destroyed or send the energy into his tail so he could lift Moguera and throw him.

I think SG’s cores relayed energy, and expelled it out of the shoulder crystals by using the stems as the back up. Explains why SG looked drain, and didn’t do much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Film Quote

The structure of the cellular membrane. cytoplasm. as well as the ribosome. Gilgi apparatus. Lissome. and centroli are the exact same with a few minor differences.



Now I don't know about you, but the cells can't be the exact same if there are any differences at all. They are very similar but there are differences.

Jeff, I pointed this out long ago. I then pointed out how the nucleus and such were ‘exactly’ the same. I guess this ‘minor’ difference must mean SG didn’t inherit Godzilla’s regeneration. That sounds doubtful. I know you think he only can heal superficial wounds, but obviously I disagree.

By the way, the lady then goes on to say right after that along these lines: “The space monster has exactly the same cells.” – Perhaps you had reason to ponder on the differences between the cells in appearance, when those ‘few minor differences’ could be talking about that…never thought of that before. I owe you can apology then.

This is also why they called him Space Godzilla. He was a clone, who also joined with crystallized organisms.

The pure crystal parts of the shoulder crystals don't have any Godzilla flesh. Which is why I explained how they could heal in my previous post.

^ That can give you more of a hint of why I think SG has different types of cells (why his skin, crystals and such have different cells, in translation). How strange you have claimed SG has the exact same cells in every part of his body, and then you notice the shoulder crystals don’t have any signs of Godzilla’s flesh inside or outside. Only exception is when it looked like the skin was coming from below. Once again, G-Force only retrieved samples of SG’s skin, not his crystals. Which if they did, I bet the only thing they’d find would be cells made up entirely of crystals.

I am not going against what I said Tom. I gave you examples, the cuts he received from Destroyah being one of them, which gutted him. What happened there Tom, Godzilla healed that wound. And no Tom, just because you don't coun't Burning Goji means nothing, he is Godzilla and you can't pick and choose which ones count simply because they don't support your theory., doesn't work like that.

Jeff, try to abolish this strange obsession you have by continuing to numerously state that the reason I don’t accept it is because it hurts my theory, doesn’t support it, etc… That isn’t the case. If you’ve actually read what I’ve said, you’d know the truth and my motives. Just because he’s a Godzilla doesn’t mean we can use him as an example. That’s like saying we should use all the Godzilla incarnations. Finally, the reason of why we don’t except Meltdown/Burning Godzilla is because his powers were working one moment, then the next they were erratic. You continue to try and prove a point by stating Godzilla healed his spinal cord to show he has healed wounds beyond superficial, but then you disregard the first time Destroyah swiped Godzilla. Godzilla’s shoulder was ravaged. Now why is it he could heal his spinal cord, but not a shoulder wound? Answer is his regeneration was out of control, thus using him as an example is useless.

And again you don't pay attention to what I said. I said the crystal parts of the skin cells are the same crystal in the other parts of his body Tom. I never said they were different, your the one claiming that they are.

…I never said you implied they were different. Of course that’s my argument, but of course I’m using your own logic against you. I explained this above that gets to the point. Respond to this if you wish, frankly I’m trying to reduce these long posts. It’s for your own sanity, Jeff.

Tom, where did I say his crystals were like those found on Earth? Answer, I didn't. I was showing you how his crystals could heal if given enough time. I never said they were like anything on Earth.

Forgive me Jeff, for your comments regarding how those crystals worked and what they were doing gave me the impression that you knew how crystallized organisms from deep space thrive and react. In other words, your comments told me you were an expert on alien-life.

Tom, the crystals don't regenerate, SG is a lifeform, he grew into what he is. The crystals themselves are a LIFEFORM Tom, you do get that don't you.

Your posts are like riddles, Jeff. If you look closely, they are literally showing what I’ve been trying to explain all along. Not saying we’ve agreed all this time. Just you’ll see what I mean if you’re willing to try and see what I’m getting at. Perhaps I should’ve added this quote further up the page...

Funny, because I am the only one that has given anything here Tom, I have agreed that he can regenerate superfical wounds to his flesh. What ground have you given?

Actually Jeff, the objective in a debate is to try and not give ground, but to win. But I do admire your willingness to agree upon things. If you want the truth, then I’ll give it; this entire time, I have been at odds with myself. I don’t tell people that, if they ask, I never do; but I honestly do ask myself time and time again if I’m wrong. My mind then ponders on such things, looking at the points the opposing side brought up. I can’t hide from my own mind, Jeff. If I believe you are right and I’m wrong on something, you’ll be the first to know.



That and if you have an open mind, I’m sure you think the same way. I mean, how could you not? If you never look at it from the other point of view, then you aren’t really open.

For the exact same reason that you are doing exactly the same thing Tom.

If you want to get technical, I’m usually the second who makes comments along the lines of: “You’re WRONG!” – I usually say something about them being flawed. Now just because something is flawed, doesn’t mean it can’t lead to some truth.

Maybe because I actually have the book that the picture came from and can see it at it's full size Tom. I even enlarged this for you. Don't you just hate being wrong Tom?

So strange Jeff, since in your quote, you implied there were crystals inside SpaceGodzilla’s toes. Why do you think I said: “I don’t see any signs of the crystal in the toe-region.” Still, the foot has barely any signs of crystal, if any. You’re thinking the ankle area. So I still don’t see how SG’s bone is crystal. Personally, I think his flesh/bone can turn into crystal, then back. What, with his DNA being a mixture of both…

But to answer your question, yes I hate being wrong, sometimes. Feels good to not be right; however, that isn’t the case in this situation.

Go for it if you want to Tom, I have more pics to prove you wrong. Not to mention that you would have to prove there was damage to the crystal and that it regenerated, something that you can hardly do.

I have to agree with you, since I didn’t know the area in the neck was the spinal bones and such. Didn’t know that, but after you mentioned it, it makes more sense. Thanks for the info.

For starters Tom, what does creating crystal have to do with healing crystal?

Well, when SG healed that superficial wound, there were crystals inside those many cells that were being repaired. He created those cells with crystals, and then obviously healed them when he healed his wound.

Just because you can make something does not mean you can repair it. It also doesn't mean that he can generat the crystal inside of him since all of it is done EXTERNALLY. Not to mention that you are totally missing the point AGAIN. SG can create crystals very very rapidly, we have seen it happen. He can also generate a crystal Shield out of thin air. I guess he must have regenerated crystals to from that shield. He is simply creating a crystal shell for him to fly through space in. For some reason though you have come to the conclusion that it must be regeneration, go figure, if SG has any powers at all they must be related to regeneration.

Jeff, the basic principle of my point is; if SG is able to replace crystals rapidly, why couldn’t he do that with his shoulder crystals? Answer is they are different, since they happen to house the stems and the cores. For other crystals, we’ve seen them extend, enlarge, disappear, etc… Notice how he replaced those crystals in the ground. How he could keep growing them. If he can constantly generate new forms of crystals, why can’t he get rid of damaged ones? Or shrink them small enough to the molecular level, be replaced, and make it seem as if regeneration occurred.



Just an open thought Jeff. I’m not changing my outlook, I’m just trying to keep an open mind, and see other possibilities. After all, I have you to thank for that, helping me create new and exciting theories…



…Theories for you to disagree with, of course.

The crystals are not turning into flesh Tom, I don't know where your getting that idea.

Jeff, look at the picture you just posted. The feet, ankles, tail, and the back opening up (taking your opinion into consideration); all of the flesh areas look as if they are going to remain that way, then fall short and a crystal takes over. The flesh has crystals inside of it. By the looks of it, SG looks like he can manipulate his own DNA, choosing which side to flourish and become larger. The SG-Cell-Side we saw being analyzed is what I consider the ‘Godzilla’ side. The crystal part is the crystallized organism SG bonded with. Even your own opinion, Jeff, is giving this impression. One I find interesting…I’ll explain below why I feel it corresponds with my own thoughts.

Also notice that the blue outline of his flesh is expanded outside of his normal body frame. Like I said he generates crystal from his back spines. He is litterly splitting his body open down his back as the crystals pop out to form the shell, the flesh expands out as the crystals emerge. Then when he wants to land the shell disappears and his body returns to normal. He isn't doing any damage to himself, it's simply an ability. It has nothing to do with regeneration in any possible way either.

Jeff, I have to admire and give you props. That is a lot different than I originally took it, and personally I feel like your explanation is better. But just keep what you said in mind Jeff. About his back literally splitting open. Now Jeff, if your back suddenly split open, don’t you think that would hurt? Yeah, it would, in SG’s case it doesn’t, since those crystals are forming a shell and it must be normal. But Jeff, like you said; the back literally splits open. WIDE OPEN. And quite a few times, we see this happen. But when SG no longer is in flying mode that back closes.



Jeff, if the back is split wide open, then closed shut, I consider that regeneration. Notice while on land, the crystal spines are pointing out of his back. We see flesh there. But in flying mode, like you’ve been suggesting, the flesh expands to the outside, splitting his entire back wide open. It then closes. Even with jagged crystals popping out, don’t you consider that an amazing form of regeneration? That SG can split his entire back wide open, and then close it just as fast? Think about that for a second.



Now then, allow me to explain how this corresponds with my own ideas. We have seen SG’s feet, ankles, and tail turn into crystals. They couldn’t be encased, if that was the case (no pun intended), then you’d see the crystal trying to ‘crawl’ over the fleshy parts. Instead, you see the blue skin overlap the crystal, which defeats the point of the flesh being encased. So this just shows me Spacegodzilla’s flesh can turn into crystals whenever he wants, and vice versa. Now, let’s say I’m wrong and SG’s crystals can’t regenerate rapidly. If they are damaged, what’s stopping SG from simply turning those damaged crystals into flesh? And then healing them? Nothing really, this is why I think he can heal those inner-organs. This is why I think he can heal other parts, rapidly.



But what about those shoulder crystals? Why can’t he just change them? Well, my answer is simple. They house two important things: cores and stems. I don’t think SG would risk changing both of them. It could very well mean permanent damage, or death.


Jeff, I want to ask your two questions.


1) If you still think SG doesn’t have different crystals inside of him, then why in the bio-picture you posted, does it show ‘yellow’ crystals and ‘purple’ crystals? If they aren’t different, why the different color?



2) In your opinion, what do you think that orange, sphere-like object is? It is nestled around SG’s ‘stomach’. It is right behind those ribs. Personally, I think it is SG’s backup power. A battery that houses energy SG would need should everything else be gone, and his cores inside his shoulders are unable to feed. I think it is what made SG keep fighting, after his SC’s were destroyed.