Zombies attack!!!

[Cookson]

http://65.127.124.62/south_asia/4483241.stm.htm

ugggghhhhh.

[RyougaSaotome]

As I stated elsehwere....


Damn you all for ruining my day entirely.

[Gojira2000]

That could be used in a SciFi flick...

[Bagoth]

Well I'm not sure if we can trust what the BBC are saying about it being controlled, but hopefully it is and the only zombies we have to worry about are in Haiti.

[SandwormPhish]

Psst, it works a lot better if you textify the link so people can't tell at a glance it doesn't go to the BBC website.

[Pkmatrix]

Originally Posted by Spiral Fire

First of all, woah.
Second of all, thats just wrong.
Third of all, that would seriously freak out the coroner.
Finally, is that really true?

Of course not! If you look at the URL, you can see quite plainly that it doesn't actually go to the BBC News website. That, and the article doesn't exactly feel as polished as a BBC article...

[Spiral Fire]

Ohhhh..... geez, I'm really out of it.
Ah well, nothing like a good ol' fashioned fake zombie article.

[HolyGoji777]

Originally Posted by Morgoth

Are you sure this artcile is fake? I mean, the weekend box office totals go pretty damn far to substantiating that story...

Actually, there are real zombies in Haiti, or at least there were at one time. They aren't the undead, of course, but men who have been poisoned by witch doctors, putting them in a cataleptic state. After the 'dead' man is buried, the witch doctor digs him up and revives him with another poison, this one putting him into a state that might best be described as a 'chemical lobotomy'. These miserable wretches were then sold as cheap labour to plantation owners. Of course, the witch doctor would always need to make sure the zombies got regular treatments, otherwise they would regain awareness. There was a positively chilling bit on a Discovery channel program that featured an interview with a real zombie! The man had been taken by a witch doctor sometime in the 60's I believe and worked as a zombie for a decade. When the witch doctor died the regular doses of poison stopped coming and over the course of a few days, the zombie's memory returned to him. However, people in his home village were so terrified of him that when he came back, they nearly killed him! He was forced to live elsewhere, most of his own family shunned him. Where this story gets chilling is the scar on the man's left temple, a scar left by one of the nails as it was driven into his coffin! Scary, scary stuff, and much more disturbing than the undead if you ask me.

really? do you remember what show it was? i would LOVE to see that it sounds truely horrifying. i cant imagine being in a trance-like state for ten years...
i wonder what kind of chemicals were used?

[Pkmatrix]

Originally Posted by Morgoth

Are you sure this artcile is fake? I mean, the weekend box office totals go pretty damn far to substantiating that story...

Actually, there are real zombies in Haiti, or at least there were at one time. They aren't the undead, of course, but men who have been poisoned by witch doctors, putting them in a cataleptic state. After the 'dead' man is buried, the witch doctor digs him up and revives him with another poison, this one putting him into a state that might best be described as a 'chemical lobotomy'. These miserable wretches were then sold as cheap labour to plantation owners. Of course, the witch doctor would always need to make sure the zombies got regular treatments, otherwise they would regain awareness. There was a positively chilling bit on a Discovery channel program that featured an interview with a real zombie! The man had been taken by a witch doctor sometime in the 60's I believe and worked as a zombie for a decade. When the witch doctor died the regular doses of poison stopped coming and over the course of a few days, the zombie's memory returned to him. However, people in his home village were so terrified of him that when he came back, they nearly killed him! He was forced to live elsewhere, most of his own family shunned him. Where this story gets chilling is the scar on the man's left temple, a scar left by one of the nails as it was driven into his coffin! Scary, scary stuff, and much more disturbing than the undead if you ask me.

I remember seeing that show. Weren't there a group of American scientists trying to figure out the exact chemical composition of the poison?

[Cole Deschain]

Heh. Good luck.

The actual chemicals involved seem to vary, depending on the tastes and inclinations of the conjure man in question...

[Spiral Fire]

Ok.... I'm officialy freaked out.
Haiti Zombies? Witch doctors? American people trying to document the composition of some sort of real life T-Virus? Ugh.

[Burkion]

Who would be the safest? What would you do? How would you prepair?


FIrst of all, I belive the South(Rual areas, farms, mountains and such) would be the safest place in America, what with most of us owning shot guns and all. I would get togeather every one I know, if any of them are bitten...BAM! They're dead via bullet between the eyes. How would I prepair? First I would either A)Steal a suit of armor, a really strong on, and a sword and just walk through the zombie hords, or B) Hijack the local gun shop, after stealing alot of trucks, take all the guns, move up to the moutains and shoot any Zombies that come near me.

[SandwormPhish]

Originally Posted by Blue Devil

Who would be the safest? What would you do? How would you prepair?

Care to be a bit more specific? What kind of zombie infestation are we talking? The classic shambler? The sprinters that seem to be cropping up more nowadays? Traditional voodoo zombies? Assorted other zombie varieties (with everything from superhuman physical abilities to being able to explode in a shower of infectious fluid on death)? Do they die when you shoot them in the brain, or are they like Return of hte Living Death zombies who you have to chop into pieces too small to be threatening?

FIrst of all, I belive the South(Rual areas, farms, mountains and such) would be the safest place in America, what with most of us owning shot guns and all.

Way to stereotype those of us who live down in the south buddy. And a shotgun means diddly squat in the hand of an idiot who doesn't know how to use it effectively against his target.

I would get togeather every one I know, if any of them are bitten...BAM! They're dead via bullet between the eyes.

Take a moment and honestly think this through. How gun-ho would you really be to see a loved one die before your eyes?

How would I prepair? First I would either A)Steal a suit of armor, a really strong on, and a sword and just walk through the zombie hords,

And die horribly when you get swarmed. Swords are not even halfway decent anti-zombie gear. They require too much room, to manuever with for a killing blow (assuming these are the bog-standard 'shoot 'em in the brain' type zombies). Armor may be proof against bites but as you're swinging around a relatively slow killing melee weapon and hampering your mobility you'll likely be dogpiled and pealed open like a can of spam.

or B) Hijack the local gun shop, after stealing alot of trucks, take all the guns, move up to the moutains and shoot any Zombies that come near me.

Why steal a lot of trucks? You can only drive one at a time unless you're with a group. Raiding the gunstore is a good idea but then you have to worry about little things like a potential gun-wielding owner being inside.

[Burkion]

Originally Posted by SandwormPhish

Care to be a bit more specific? What kind of zombie infestation are we talking? The classic shambler? The sprinters that seem to be cropping up more nowadays? Traditional voodoo zombies? Assorted other zombie varieties (with everything from superhuman physical abilities to being able to explode in a shower of infectious fluid on death)? Do they die when you shoot them in the brain, or are they like Return of hte Living Death zombies who you have to chop into pieces too small to be threatening?

A mixture of shamblers and sprinters. They die by destroying the brain.

Way to stereotype those of us who live down in the south buddy. And a shotgun means diddly squat in the hand of an idiot who doesn't know how to use it effectively against his target.

Sad thing is this: I *live* in the South, bud. And from my personal experiance in TN(Since I've lived here all my friggin life...) we only have a few, (Read three or four) really big cities. Other then that, most of our towns are made up of Hammers, Bi-Lo, Bates, Wal Mart(Our biggest place...) and the Olden Theater. Seriously though, that's all our 'town' is made up of. Other then that, it is alot of mountains and feilds. And highways....
Again, I'm going by what *I'd* do. Everyone I know has some skill with a gun, and should be able to hit a zombie in the head. This may verie for you.

Take a moment and honestly think this through. How gun-ho would you really be to see a loved one die before your eyes?

*Laughs bitterly* Pish, you don't know me very well. If something has to be done, I don't hesitate to do it. I worry about it LATER. Espcially if it concernes life or death matters. The thing is, what is better, letting them die a slow death, and becoming a zombie afterwards, forcing you to kill them then, or killing them now knowing they won't suffer?

And die horribly when you get swarmed. Swords are not even halfway decent anti-zombie gear. They require too much room, to manuever with for a killing blow (assuming these are the bog-standard 'shoot 'em in the brain' type zombies). Armor may be proof against bites but as you're swinging around a relatively slow killing melee weapon and hampering your mobility you'll likely be dogpiled and pealed open like a can of spam.

I'll go alittle bit more indepth about what I'd do...I'd get the armor, get a few guns and keep a sword at my side, in case the guns run out of ammo. Besides that, I've done some research on 'Dawn of the Dead' remake. On the map, there was ONE zombie spot in TN, (Where I live) and it was no where near us. So I figure that if there are zombies around my place, they would be very few. Good thing about living in next to a rather big feild, you can see some one coming for along way off.

Why steal a lot of trucks? You can only drive one at a time unless you're with a group. Raiding the gunstore is a good idea but then you have to worry about little things like a potential gun-wielding owner being inside.

I'd have a group. Again, this may very. And considering the fact that I'm freinds with the local gun shop owner, it wouldn't be any problem....

[SandwormPhish]

Originally Posted by Blue Devil

A mixture of shamblers and sprinters. They die by destroying the brain.

Easy enough counter then. Steal as much canned food and bottled water as quickly as possible, while the infection is still localized, find a two story house to fort up in, destroy the staircase, fill as many containers as possible with tap water before the utilities go down and use the taps until they do, wait until decay finishes the zombies or a rescue comes.

Sad thing is this: I *live* in the South, bud. And from my personal experiance in TN(Since I've lived here all my friggin life...) we only have a few, (Read three or four) really big cities. Other then that, most of our towns are made up of Hammers, Bi-Lo, Bates, Wal Mart(Our biggest place...) and the Olden Theater. Seriously though, that's all our 'town' is made up of. Other then that, it is alot of mountains and feilds. And highways....
Again, I'm going by what *I'd* do. Everyone I know has some skill with a gun, and should be able to hit a zombie in the head. This may verie for you.

I live in the south as well, as do the vast majority of my relatives. The problem here is you seem to be assuming the rest of the south is like where you live.

*Laughs bitterly* Pish, you don't know me very well. If something has to be done, I don't hesitate to do it. I worry about it LATER.

Really? How can you hope to accurately judge your own behavior in this situation which is far different from anything you have previously experienced (at least I assume you aren't familiar with shooting family members in the face). Have you even had a close relative die, let alone right in front of you?

Espcially if it concernes life or death matters. The thing is, what is better, letting them die a slow death, and becoming a zombie afterwards, forcing you to kill them then, or killing them now knowing they won't suffer?

It doesn't help that the way you describe it is essentialy summary execution after a bite. Plus there are other factors you really don't address. The group you're with for one. How many of them are going to stand idly by and let you plug someone in the head off the bat? What aobu the person you're intending to shoot, a good many people would object to being shot in the face, zombie bite or no. Then there are issues of trust and morale to consider. Morale tends to go down the toilet when your group starts executing its own members, not to mention the possibility this has for causing people to hide wounds and thus providing further risk to the group.

I'll go alittle bit more indepth about what I'd do...I'd get the armor,

The armor's pointless. All it will do is inhibit your mobility (which is especially bad since you've established that there are sprinters present) for dubious protective value. You'd be better off with heavy cloth or leather. The human body is frankly, rather pathetic in the bite strength department so there's no need to go with plate armor which is just going to limit your movements and tire you out faster.

and keep a sword at my side, in case the guns run out of ammo.

Again, a sword isn't that great a tool for the job. It's big, and loses most of its effectiveness if you're hemmed in by hordes or walls. A better idea might be a hatchet, or crowbar, both of which can inflict the killing blow you need to put down a zombie but which aren't so constrained by their own size, and have other uses as well.

Besides that, I've done some research on 'Dawn of the Dead' remake. On the map, there was ONE zombie spot in TN, (Where I live) and it was no where near us. So I figure that if there are zombies around my place, they would be very few.

The Dawn of the Dead remake was all sprinters, not the mix you propose here therefor it's probably not that great a source. Furthermore check the DVD extras, most notably the news report broadcasts that covered the outbreak. Watch the rate of spread. It's entirely too fast for a single point of infection and covered the continental US within

Good thing about living in next to a rather big feild, you can see some one coming for along way off.

Unfortunately zombies as a whole seem rather disinclined to show up in politely sized groups. You may be able to see them coming (provided they show up when you're there and not out looting for supplies), but that begs the question of whether or not you can do anything useful about it.

I'd have a group. Again, this may very. And considering the fact that I'm freinds with the local gun shop owner, it wouldn't be any problem....

Then you're better off than most in the gun department. There's just all those other niggling problems to deal with.. though being friends with the gunstore owner doesn't neccesarily rule out a potential blue-on-blue.

[Burkion]

I live in the south as well, as do the vast majority of my relatives. The problem here is you seem to be assuming the rest of the south is like where you live.

Again, this is where my situation differs from yours.

Really? How can you hope to accurately judge your own behavior in this situation which is far different from anything you have previously experienced (at least I assume you aren't familiar with shooting family members in the face). Have you even had a close relative die, let alone right in front of you?

Rememeber the bitter laugh part? Yes I've had close family memebers die. My grandfathers, my great grandfather, and my grandmother. (And some others) I can deal with death.

It doesn't help that the way you describe it is essentialy summary execution after a bite. Plus there are other factors you really don't address. The group you're with for one. How many of them are going to stand idly by and let you plug someone in the head off the bat? What aobu the person you're intending to shoot, a good many people would object to being shot in the face, zombie bite or no. Then there are issues of trust and morale to consider. Morale tends to go down the toilet when your group starts executing its own members, not to mention the possibility this has for causing people to hide wounds and thus providing further risk to the group.

I would consult the person bit, if I knew it could help. If I knew it couldn't...well, that's where tough chocies are made. And frankly, I would want to live. And they(the group) could think of me as a cold hearted ******* all they wanted, but I'd let 'em know that I'd put a gun to my own head if I was bitten.

The armor's pointless. All it will do is inhibit your mobility (which is especially bad since you've established that there are sprinters present) for dubious protective value. You'd be better off with heavy cloth or leather. The human body is frankly, rather pathetic in the bite strength department so there's no need to go with plate armor which is just going to limit your movements and tire you out faster.

Not all armor, actually. I'm actually wondering if Zombies would even care about me, myself, since I have desesied skin. We all know ZOmbies go after fresh skin, but what about desesied flesh? Would they eat that kind of flesh? The possiblities...

Again, a sword isn't that great a tool for the job. It's big, and loses most of its effectiveness if you're hemmed in by hordes or walls. A better idea might be a hatchet, or crowbar, both of which can inflict the killing blow you need to put down a zombie but which aren't so constrained by their own size, and have other uses as well.

I'm talking along the lines of a Kanata(SP?), or a saber. A light weight sword that won't hold me back, something I could manuver with.

The Dawn of the Dead remake was all sprinters, not the mix you propose here therefor it's probably not that great a source. Furthermore check the DVD extras, most notably the news report broadcasts that covered the outbreak. Watch the rate of spread. It's entirely too fast for a single point of infection and covered the continental US within

I did. That's where I got the info on TN having only one major Zombie hot spot.

Unfortunately zombies as a whole seem rather disinclined to show up in politely sized groups. You may be able to see them coming (provided they show up when you're there and not out looting for supplies), but that begs the question of whether or not you can do anything useful about it.

Remeber my orginal thing about the mountains? After getting everything I needed, I'll head up there. It should take awhile for Zombies to get all the way up there, a few days at least. If they bother to shamble themselves up there at all.

Then you're better off than most in the gun department. There's just all those other niggling problems to deal with.. though being friends with the gunstore owner doesn't neccesarily rule out a potential blue-on-blue.

Again, this is about personal plans. I know what I would do, I would hope it would work. If it dosen't then I'm screwed. Simple as that.



How is it, just about every thread I start now, I'm getting into debates with people?

[biochemitra]

The armor's pointless. All it will do is inhibit your mobility (which is especially bad since you've established that there are sprinters present

Contrary to popular beleif, good armor does not inhibit your movement. You could do acrobatics in plate armor.

[anguirus55]

^ Only if you were very strong and trained to move in it. Joe Schmo these days is not a medieval soldier.

[SandwormPhish]

Originally Posted by Blue Devil

Rememeber the bitter laugh part? Yes I've had close family memebers die. My grandfathers, my great grandfather, and my grandmother. (And some others) I can deal with death.

And how many of those happened right before your eyes, nevermind your own hand?

I would consult the person bit, if I knew it could help. If I knew it couldn't...well, that's where tough chocies are made. And frankly, I would want to live. And they(the group) could think of me as a cold hearted ******* all they wanted, but I'd let 'em know that I'd put a gun to my own head if I was bitten.

Problem is that if you go around making all these 'tough choices' without the rest of the group you open yourself to potential mutiny, and if the only ending for someone getting bit is a bullet to the face then you still have the result of concealed wounds. Most people would rather not be shot in the head.

Not all armor, actually. I'm actually wondering if Zombies would even care about me, myself, since I have desesied skin. We all know ZOmbies go after fresh skin, but what about desesied flesh? Would they eat that kind of flesh? The possiblities...

Depends on the zombie. RotLD zombies for instance are brain eaters. DOTD zombies are just flesh eaters who munch on whatever they can. I don't see why having a skin disease would put them off from munching on you though seeing as they're dead.. flesh is flesh after all.

I'm talking along the lines of a Kanata(SP?), or a saber. A light weight sword that won't hold me back, something I could manuver with.

You'll still talking about requiring a couple feet of room if you want to do anything but a stab.

I did. That's where I got the info on TN having only one major Zombie hot spot.

And again I say look at the rate of infection. That one spot isn't going to stay small for long.

Remeber my orginal thing about the mountains? After getting everything I needed, I'll head up there. It should take awhile for Zombies to get all the way up there, a few days at least. If they bother to shamble themselves up there at all.

Possibly. Of course one wonders how many other people will get the same idea, and what the zombies are going to do when their food supply starts heading into the mountains. Gonna take the shamblers a bit to get up there.. less so the sprinters.

[SandwormPhish]

Originally Posted by biochemitra

Contrary to popular beleif, good armor does not inhibit your movement. You could do acrobatics in plate armor.

Indeed you can, I've seen men in full plate turning cartwheels. However it's still a good chunk of weight draped over your body and it's going to inhibit your movements and drain your energy, which is especially bad if we're talking DOTD-style sprinters who chunk along like olympic runners on PCP.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

I'm talking along the lines of a Kanata(SP?), or a saber. A light weight sword that won't hold me back, something I could manuver with.

Yes, anciant japanese weaponary is all the rave in small southern towns.

I live near the shore, so hopping on a boat would be no problem(From what I know, zombies aren't exactly great swimmers) but then theres the unbarably cold nights we get around here. Or I'd hop on a large tower of some kind, and reign homemade napalm on the hordes of undead freaks. I think a small axe, or chainsaw would work best for close range incidents. I'd want some kind of flamethrower, but then theres the chance that they won't die and have flamming zombies running around....
I think I'll just climb on my roof with a Dr.Pepper and Gameboy.

[HolyGoji777]

im already in a pretty good situation i think. i live in a city which does suck because of the amount of people but:

my house is made of stone. after sealing the exits and windows it would be almost impossible for anything to get in.

my father and i own more weapons than the U.S. military lol(exaggerating of course). we are avid hunters (he even teaches the hunter safety course, required in NYS to get your license) and we have enough guns and ammo to last us quite a while. when we run out we have a reloader so we can just make those empty shells into new bullets again.

i make homemade napalm sooo i would have some fun by chucking it out of my attic window into the nearby roads and watching them burn. if one ran near my house theres nothing to worry about cuz its made of stone and wont be set on fire.

as for survival we keep stores of food and water in our basement that can last us months if need be. we would use regular tap water until it no longer worked.

my collection of hand to hand combat weapons would come in handy should i run out of ammo and run into trouble. or even for more stealthy kills should i have to leave the house.

[Neo-Crucifer]

I'd stay on the roof and watch as my pain-in-the-*** neighbors get ripped apart. Now that's entertainment.

[Zigra]

If we're talking about Romero-style "shoot 'em in the head" zombies, then I think "Shaun of the Dead" gave us the most realistic scenerio- once the military gets their act together and arrives on the scene, the zombies will be stomped.

Seriously, in a nation that has enough firepower to eradicate all life on Earth several times over, a bunch of slow-moving undead creatures that are easily destroyed by being shot in the head won't be a very big challenge for our military.

[Cole Deschain]

Lessee, my solution?

Grab my family, my girlfriend, her family, and as many of my friends as possible. Nobody ever goes anywhere alone. Ever. Barricade up a multiple story building, and rig the stair so that they can be torn down easily. Maybe rig up a rope ladder to the second story so it can either be rolled up or, if necessary, cut (just in case it's got zombies on on it when the bust through the barricades).

Stock up on all the bottled water we can find (since I'm looking at a large group). Canned food and concentrates are also a good idea. MREs, ditto. Set up barrels to catch rain. Keep a propane cooker handy to boil water if necessary. Body armor would probably be limited to heavy arm guards, or maybe just lots of newspaper rolled around one forearm in a pinch.

Do not go zombie hunting. Clear out whatever building we decide upon, and then avoid all combat unless absolutely necessary. Keep a few vehicles handy, in case making a break for somewhere else makes sense. Leave the keys in the ignitions. The zombies won't try to steal cars, and while other humans won't be so considerate, the simple expedient of posting someone on watch would partially alleviate the problem.

Leadership would probably be a sticky issue, and cabin fever's all but inevitable... but that's where a large population can help, since there are enough people to avoid being cooped up with just the guy you're mad at.

For melee weapons, knives, screwdrivers and hatchets would be the norm. They're not for repeated use. It can be hard and time-consuming to remove a weapon that's embedded in a foe's body, so these would just be left in place. For repeat weapons, blunt trauam would have to do. I have some rattan batons that might do, as well as a nightstick and several hammers of varying weights.

Firearm traing would be conducted by whoever had the most experience in the group. Everybody would learn to use firearms effectively, in case a break-out becomes necessary. Ammo and weapons would be procured en route to the building, and ammo would take priority over guns. Any extra would have to be snagged in the event of a run for more food or water, a dangerous undertaking that I do not see being done lightly.