02. Kiryu (v2) vs Space Godzilla

[SpaceHunterM]

He took two SGMs to the chest near the start of the battle and they left barely a mark a scene later. IMO its only slightly less than burning G.


BTW nice sig Zardac

[MirrenDono]

Forget that they didn't even leave a mark, the most impressive thing of that is that Spacegodzilla wasn't even reeling after those hits.

His regeneration seems pretty good, by the way. Moguera's nose drill didn't go terribly deep, but we see that the wound is regenerated in only a few seconds.

[BS Digital Q]

Originally Posted by Saruman

Then either you or your recorder can't count because Ihave checked mine on 3 different DVD players and they all say 15 seconds, and they are all 3 different brands.

Actually, I have two DVD recorders, a portable DVD player, and half-a-dozen DVD software programs. Believe me, I recount my stuff. 9-11 of firing, then the rest is devoted to Kiryu falling over.

You need to read what people write and not simply believe what you want them to have said. If you notice I stated that the corona beam will damage Kiryu, but it's clearly going to take quite a few shots to the same exact spot to do any real damage. It's not simply going to take one shot for it to get through that armor, no matter how baddly you want to believe that.

Never said any of that. Considering I was merely quoting Ang and Tom on this, I don't see why I should waste my words responding to something that was directed at a point I didn't even make! So go eat your filth, liar.

You should pay attention to the movie. The EM interferrence was brief because you see MOG fire his energy weapons right after that, then MOG was hit with the concussion wave and side swiped, both of which caused damage to the interior of MOG which is what they show. They then also show MOG making a tight turn to come back around and attack SG again, which all shows that the interference was over after a brief amount of time as they had full control. If it was as you seem to think they could have never turned around nor could they have fired any of their weapons because an EMP attack would have shut them down completely. See you can't fire an EMP and select only specific systems to hit, it hits all electronics.

Since you and Tom have dovetailed into your own little argument regarding this, I'll let you two spar it out. Especially since Tom seems to know more about it than I do.

[Saruman]

Originally Posted by Tomzilla

Thank you for clarifying.

No problem.

Thank you for completely ignoring my points. Once again, whenever SpaceGodzilla manipulated the gravity around his opponents, the bolts in question were green. They were not red. Whenever SpaceGodzilla hovered, there was no energy visibly seen.

I did not ignore your points, they were addressed. The thing your failing to realize is in your own words. As you say when he used it "AROUND" his opponents. This is a completely different attack and ability he is showing and like every other ability/power SG uses it looks different from the rest.

Why would SpaceGodzilla even need to make MOGUERA lighter with gravity, when he already had MOGUERA up in the air and was waving it around? Before that energy even reached MOGUERA, SpaceGodzilla was already starting to fling him. SpaceGodzilla was just being a nasty and felt obligated to give his robotic foe a good shock before tossing him aside.

Because its the ONLY way he is going to lift something that massive with just the TIP of his tail. Try lifting your own weight with the tip of one finger Tom and let me know how that works out for you.

Oh, this goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway: prove SpaceGodzilla was making MOGUERA lighter with gravity. As in, prove to me that the gravity tornado was being implemented. Thus far, you have not. Saying it was the energy we saw, energy that does not resemble the gravity tornado used prior, doesn't fly.

Please tell me where I said he was using the "Gravity Tornado"? I said he was using gravity to lift MOG, I never implied it was the gravity tornado, it's a completely different power/ability then the GT.

And when the very same energy comes into contact with flesh, sparks ensue too. I just felt obligated to throw in the sparks comment because it showed there was an electrical response.

Godzilla's flesh, which is his opposite, like I have pointed out to you before, that you don't get that still amazes me.

I'm not denying that there wasn't a connection between the two. But we have seen Godzilla discharge similar attacks before at other opponents. He managed to redirect the electricity MechaGodzilla was pumping into him. SpaceGodzilla also fired similar crimson bolts at buildings and fried them. So no, it's not just limited to being used against SpaceGodzilla. And as I proved above, he also fried MOGUERA after skewering the robot with his tail.

All of which energy attacks do on a regular basis in these movies, especially fighting mechanical opponents and that goes back to the showa era.

Plus, Godzilla reminds me a lot like the Hulk. Angrier and longer he fights, the stronger he gets. This is evident every time Heisei Godzilla fought in a long battle.

He's just a slow starter until he gets fed up.

Doesn't matter. You said it was only displayed in his flying form, which I debunked.

Actually I said it was very minimal in any but his flying form.

Anyways, nothing is stopping SpaceGodzilla from going into his flying form, thereby increasing the EM field.

That's true, but he hasn't shown the desire to do so when it could benefit him in a fight.

Amazing. Even when you disagree with one bit of what I say, namely the: "It was occurring through out the battle", suddenly your viewpoint is drastically different than my own. First off, it's the only difference. Second, everything I stated happened in the movie.

Everything you stated did not happen Tom, which is why I posted the steps of the battle below.

I don't know what your definition of 'START' is, but I'll even bring your own analysis up:

10. SG fires Concussion Wave again.

To correct you, it isn't a concussion wave - it's an electromagnetic wave. It packs concussive force, but what did it do beside shaking MOGUERA up? Disable its weaponry! That alone disproves your points. You'd like to think the plasma lasers couldn't work because of physical damage, but do you SEE it? As in, are the eyes visibly damaged? NO. Also, being badly damaged can mean a lot of things. Not only were they physically mauled, but with their weapons offline and instruments lost, of course someone would say that line. I would. An EMP attack can inflict damage.

Actually I should have said Gravity Wave, not concussion wave. You better watch the fight again because its the physical force that causes the damage, they tell you that right in the movie, it's not an EMP because an EMP would hit all the systems and shut them down at the same time. It's the repeated hits that do the damage, not the an EMP. If it hits the weapons system, then all the weapons are going to go out, not just one at a time, its all one connected system.

This definitely doesn't occur at the start of the battle.

Occured right when I said it did.

I don't see why you disagree with me, as I personally stated that the reason SpaceGodzilla's electromagnetic aura was damaging MOGUERA in the first place is because his crystals punctured the robot's hull. Even then, it leaked through, but nothing severe was caused.

The reason I am disagreeing is because your trying to make it out to be something so much greater than it is, like you always do with SG. You might as well toss him into the DBZ universe he would fit in nicely.

[quot]Now it's time for me to nitpick. Jeff, how long have you watched the movie, namely the scene in question? Obviously not long.[/quote]

Obvisouly YOUR wrong because I had just watched the entire scene and wrote down everything in order as it happens in the fight. So you might actually want to watch it again as your memory of that sequence is rather flawed.

MOGUERA attacked SpaceGodzilla before the two rammed into each other as you were trying to claim above. Afterwards, SpaceGodzilla discharged his electromagnetic wave. Surprisingly, MOGUERA doesn't shake the first time. And yet, the laser cannons have been disabled. If you see any physical damage done to them, post a picture. You know what I see? The eyes are no longer glowing, indicating that their power has been shut off. I repeat: no visible damage is seen. If it really is a concussive wave as you seem to believe and it inflicts physical damage, then there should be...physical damage visibly seen.

Really? so tell me Tom by your reasoning here then the Corona beam is actually vastly weaker then you think, or it would leave visible damage on Moguera every single time it hits him, but oh wait it doesn't, guess that it really can't hurt Moguera then.

The damage in the seen is shown inside of Moguera when you see things exploding in sparks in the cockpit, which is when the weapons guy says the eye lasers are damaged and you see the eyes go dark. You can cut power to something by physical force Tom you do actually realize that don't you?

Yet you again ignore the brunt of my statement. What I just said is true. And it is amazing that SpaceGodzilla's EM bypassed a robot that was designed to withstand such things. Fact that MOGUERA didn't go offline later after SpaceGodzilla pumped electromagnetic bolts into it with his tail proves the modifications were superb.

That would be all well and good if it were true, but hes not pumping him with EM energy, hes pumping him with gravity so he is able to lift him with his tail.

[anguirus55]

Or did both Ang and Tom hack into your computer and make that post for you?

Don't rule that out. I'm everywhere!

Actually, I am pretty sure that I never said one shot of the Corona Beam will pierce Kiryu's frontal armor. My point was that a) as beam weapons go, it's pretty well-suited to weakening that armor plate and eventually punching through (citing the craters left by White Heron maser fire), and b) SG fires that thing off a lot.

[Orga777]

Damn... This is awesome. But where were you last year Saruman when these two were fighting!

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by Saruman

No problem.

Ah, this is why I like debating with you, Jeff. While the rest of our post shows us tearing into one another like rabid dogs; when it’s over, we can still walk away and drink to it (only later we tend to smash the bottles over the other’s head).

I did not ignore your points, they were addressed.

I did not see you address the color of SpaceGodzilla’s energy being used whenever he manipulated gravity on another.

The thing your failing to realize is in your own words. As you say when he used it "AROUND" his opponents. This is a completely different attack and ability he is showing and like every other ability/power SG uses it looks different from the rest.

And? As I went on explaining, whenever SpaceGodzilla hovered, no energy was present. Whenever SpaceGodzilla manipulated gravity, green was the energy being used. I’m simply connecting the dots, while you’re making an assumption that is without evidence.

Because its the ONLY way he is going to lift something that massive with just the TIP of his tail. Try lifting your own weight with the tip of one finger Tom and let me know how that works out for you.

I couldn’t do that. But if I were an abomination forged in space, where my genetic structure was fused with that of a crystallized organism, and I fed off the energies of exploding stars – not to mention my DNA can be connected with two of the most durable and strongest creatures my universe had ever known up until now – then yes, I could.

GFW Godzilla succeeded in throwing Kumonga for miles. Heisei Godzilla could curl two times his own weight (something hardly anyone on this planet can do – in fact, I don’t think anyone can). Heisei Gamera can temporarily stop a creature that is…several times his own weight. Kiryu can pick up Godzilla; twirl him around without any disability with just his hands. Hell, Ultraman Max can toss another kaiju into outer space…

Using your analogy, none of these kaiju could’ve accomplished such physical feats without another power we can’t see. Don’t give me this: “If you can’t do it, then these monsters can’t!” excuse. It just proves SpaceGodzilla has amazing physical strength. Problem is, he’s quite lousy in using it.

Please tell me where I said he was using the "Gravity Tornado"? I said he was using gravity to lift MOG, I never implied it was the gravity tornado, it's a completely different power/ability then the GT.

This contradicts itself. Why would SpaceGodzilla use gravity on something he’s trying to lift? If you noticed, the only reason you’re not floating into space right now is because of gravity. Gravity keeps you on the ground. Keep reading over what I just said Jeff, I’m sure you’ll figure it out.

Anyways, ‘Gravity Tornado’ is the name given to anything concerning SpaceGodzilla’s gravity manipulation antics. I thought you knew that.
Yet again, you failed to prove your argument is true. Oh well, I’ll keep mentioning mine and back it up.

SpaceGodzilla’s gravity manipulation, whenever deployed on another, was green. Whenever he lifted himself, no energy was present. But whenever SpaceGodzilla zapped Godzilla, the color was red. If you’d notice, whenever SpaceGodzilla was preparing to discharge energy of any kind, his crystal spines radiated red. It’s the same thing that happened when SpaceGodzilla injected energy into MOGUERA. You saw his spines light up. And right where the tip of the tail was suddenly sparks start flying. You can even hear the sound of an electrical current entering MOGUERA. Hell, compare it to when the electrical flow was redirected back into MechaGodzilla in its first battle with Godzilla. This is not a coincidence.

And finally, you’d notice that right after SpaceGodzilla threw MOGUERA aside, one of the pilots said the weapon systems is dead, meaning MOGUERA can’t fire anymore weapons. This happened whenever SpaceGodzilla used his electromagnetic aura to disable MOGUERA’s weapon in their first battle. This happens to anything artificial whenever SpaceGodzilla zapped it (what happened to the mafia headquarters? Right, red bolts fried everything electrical and made it explode – and what color was the energy SG was pumping into MOGUERA again? Red…) or was around it. His mere presence causes electrical disturbances.

This is not a coincidence. Fact remains, I have all these examples and more to back up my argument. So far, all you have to say is: “He was using gravity to lift MOGUERA.” – Jeff, please look at it from a neutral standpoint. Exactly how does this back your argument up? You’re bringing nothing. You’re not proving what you said is valid. I’ve seen you demand others to back up their words. So far, all you have is words. Give me examples seen in the movie. Compare it to other things shown. That’s the only way you’re going to convince me of anything.

Godzilla's flesh, which is his opposite, like I have pointed out to you before, that you don't get that still amazes me.

Fact that I later mentioned I don’t deny there’s a connection between the two makes this statement of yours void.

All of which energy attacks do on a regular basis in these movies, especially fighting mechanical opponents and that goes back to the showa era.

Actually I said it was very minimal in any but his flying form.

Ahem,

I quote you:

“As for SG's EM interference it's not going to be a factor as it's short lived and was only displayed in his flying form. “

Your own comments betray. No where in there did you say the EM interference is very minimal in anything but his flying form. You said it was short-lived and only displayed in his flying form.
Accept it.

That's true, but he hasn't shown the desire to do so when it could benefit him in a fight.

True, but only when he had his tower. Without it, he demonstrated less arrogance and more concentration on putting his opponent down.

Everything you stated did not happen Tom, which is why I posted the steps of the battle below.

Dude, what I said did happen. What you’re trying to say is ‘how’ I stated it didn’t. Otherwise, I’m left believing you’re in denial that what I said – which you yourself mention in your steps of the battle – happened.

Actually I should have said Gravity Wave, not concussion wave.

Gravity Wave, huh? Exactly how is it that?

You better watch the fight again because its the physical force that causes the damage, they tell you that right in the movie, it's not an EMP because an EMP would hit all the systems and shut them down at the same time. It's the repeated hits that do the damage, not the an EMP. If it hits the weapons system, then all the weapons are going to go out, not just one at a time, its all one connected system.

I quote the movie:

“The laser cannons don’t work! I think they’ve been hit!”

So…when did the pilot say the physical force caused the damage? I admit the quote leaves a subjective interpretation. But in all fairness, I tend to refer to that as an electromagnetic wave. I should’ve put ‘An EMP like attack can inflict damage’ – but whatever.

So if the wave in question inflicts physical force – only physical force – then tell me: why do the ‘rings’ of this gravity wave pass over MOGUERA without actually hitting it its target (the eyes)? Why do the nearby asteroids caught in its path fail to…move, even after we see it visibly touching them? Why were the laser cannons physically damaged by them, when if you watch close…they’re never actually hit by it?

Occured right when I said it did.

There are 14 steps. What I quoted occurred on the tenth step. That is more than halfway through the steps, Jeff. In other words, it didn’t happen at the ‘start’.

The reason I am disagreeing is because your trying to make it out to be something so much greater than it is, like you always do with SG.

Do you want to know what’s ironic? You always try to make it out to be something smaller than it is. You always do it with SG.

I find that amusing.

You might as well toss him into the DBZ universe he would fit in nicely.

Probably because he’d be the smartest and most original character there! That says a lot!

Obvisouly YOUR wrong because I had just watched the entire scene and wrote down everything in order as it happens in the fight. So you might actually want to watch it again as your memory of that sequence is rather flawed.

You’re full of it.

Here are your first few steps:

1. They state they lost instruments.
2. MOG & SG ram each other, sparks fly inside MOG.
3. They both turn and attack.
4. MOG fires plasma eye beams.

Here’s what happens in the movie:

• Instruments are lost.
• MOGUERA fires its plasma lasers. Twice.
• They ram into each other.
• SpaceGodzilla fires its corona beam and electromagnetic wave. MOGUERA fires the plasma lasers.

You. Are. Wrong. I’m not depending on my memory. I just watched it. I challenge anyone to watch that sequence and tell me flat-out that my own steps are false when compared to yours.

Really? so tell me Tom by your reasoning here then the Corona beam is actually vastly weaker then you think, or it would leave visible damage on Moguera every single time it hits him, but oh wait it doesn't, guess that it really can't hurt Moguera then.

Way to try to backpedal. I’m afraid it won’t work.

I’ll ask you again: Post a picture if there’s physical damage present. You’re saying the eyes were physically damaged. Show me physical damage. Otherwise, concede. Also, like I said, MOGUERA doesn’t shake the first time from an attack you’re claiming to be physical in nature. You do not see the eyes blow up. They just stop glowing with no damage present. The pilot does not say they were damaged by a physical force. Only you are saying this, yet you have no proof.

The damage in the seen is shown inside of Moguera when you see things exploding in sparks in the cockpit

You see the same thing whenever SpaceGodzilla fried other electrical appliances on Earth.

You can cut power to something by physical force Tom you do actually realize that don't you?

I never denied that. But you’re the one claiming physical force was used. When you apply physical force to something – namely to cut power – there is damage left on your bloody target. You do not see it on MOGUERA’s eyes. This leads me to think one thing: SpaceGodzilla’s electromagnetic wave purged it of its power and proceeded to cause havoc.

hes pumping him with gravity so he is able to lift him with his tail.

That continues to make me laugh…

Anyways, it’s not farfetched to believe that SpaceGodzilla can cause electrical disturbances and manipulate gravity at the same time. I’m willing to compromise, since your opinion on this matter Jeff intrigues me. While I still believe SpaceGodzilla is physically capable of chucking MOGUERA aside with his tail, it isn’t unreasonable to believe there were other forces at work.

Truth be told, we've been depending on the dubbed version of the movie. For all intents and purposes, the Japanese version likely holds newfound information. It will be mine.

[Light Surge]

And finally, you’d notice that right after SpaceGodzilla threw MOGUERA aside, one of the pilots said the weapon systems is dead, meaning MOGUERA can’t fire anymore weapons. This happened whenever SpaceGodzilla used his electromagnetic aura to disable MOGUERA’s weapon in their first battle.

Mogera did not loose his weapons in the first battle because of any EM aura Tom. It lost them because the corona beam was fired at a very close distance and the later two shots on the same spot caused heavy impact damage and malfunctioned mogs since mogs armor was not really that durable anyway, just like the case with MKG. Also that was probably the same area where the cockpit was located in.

Since the weapon system was repaired inside manually by the pilots of MOGS its not suprising why that perticular system would be completely nulled after the red power surge MOG's recieved. After all his other systems were still functioning example the emergency escape pod and the booster system which was able to allow mogera to ram into SG. I know that they were not functioning at optimum effieciency but by than mogs was heavily damaged.

I'll assume that the pilots did a temporary repair on the weapons system, or that the system was more ****ed up than the other ones.

hes pumping him with gravity so he is able to lift him with his tail.

No Saruman, it was anything but gravity. However it was'nt an EM energy surge either. I believe it was the same energy that was used by SG to ZAP goji in their second melee encounter.


This red energy in my opinion is corona energy because I saw SG's dorsal fins glowing with the same energy once godzilla was knocked down for the first time in their first encounter on the island. Also he used it on many occasions when fighting goji. The same energy that sparked on his head crystal and dorsal fins when it fired its corona beam.

Oh and mogera was hurt by SG's corona beam. The sparks were immense and you could clearly see explosions occuring over mogera's chest along with shock appearing all over the crevices of mogera's armor.

[yargh]

^ To bring up another point, when Ang55 was participating in the Spacegodzilla vs. Guilala match, he showed a picture to show the strength of SG. In the same picture, you can clearly see surges of red energy going down SG's tail and into a sparking MOGUERA.

Kiryu's armor is strong, but the Corona beam is stronger. Kiryu's missile packs are also strong for taking out shoulder crystals, but the corona beam can do the same to the missile packs. Kiryu's cool, but SG is even cooler!

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by Kaiser MG

It lost them because the corona beam was fired at a very close distance and the later two shots on the same spot caused heavy impact damage and malfunctioned mogs since mogs armor was not really that durable anyway, just like the case with MKG. Also that was probably the same area where the cockpit was located in.

1) If it inflicted heavy impact damage, then that would naturally mean we could see it. Since MOGUERA's eyes show no signs of a physical attack striking it, then the electromagnetic aura scrambling MOGUERA's circuits and thereby disabling its weapon is the most likely case scenario.

2) MOGUERA is one of the most durable robots Toho ever made. Took several direct hits from SpaceGodzilla's corona beam to puncture his armor (i.e. blow off its arm). We're talking about a weapon that on several occasions left nasty wounds on Godzilla's flesh. I don't need to bring up how much Godzilla has shrugged off without any visible wounds.

3) Since you don't know where the cockpit is located, I wouldn't try making an assumption without any proof. A picture, however, could make your assumption credible.

Since the weapon system was repaired inside manually by the pilots of MOGS its not suprising why that perticular system would be completely nulled after the red power surge MOG's recieved.

Are we talking about the space battle? If so, then the weapon system was never repaired manually by the pilots. Odds are the original pilots were killed, since we never saw them ever again. Also, during the conflict, the pilots never had to manually repair the weapons. If it did happen, please cite the time code in the movie. If you're right, then cool.

After all his other systems were still functioning example the emergency escape pod and the booster system which was able to allow mogera to ram into SG.

You're missing the point. The pilot directly stated all weapons were nonfunctional. That doesn't mean every other system was disabled. This also doesn't mean the pilots manually repaired MOGUERA. If you noticed, MOGUERA never fired another weapon after SpaceGodzilla skewered him, electrified him, and tossed him away.

I know that they were not functioning at optimum effieciency but by than mogs was heavily damaged.

Indeed.

I'll assume that the pilots did a temporary repair on the weapons system, or that the system was more ****ed up than the other ones.

Then your assumption is without merit. I already proved why above.

Originally Posted by yargh

^ To bring up another point, when Ang55 was participating in the Spacegodzilla vs. Guilala match, he showed a picture to show the strength of SG. In the same picture, you can clearly see surges of red energy going down SG's tail and into a sparking MOGUERA.

This is true. Exactly what I've been trying to explain in my last few posts.

[Light Surge]

1) If it inflicted heavy impact damage, then that would naturally mean we could see it. Since MOGUERA's eyes show no signs of a physical attack striking it, then the electromagnetic aura scrambling MOGUERA's circuits and thereby disabling its weapon is the most likely case scenario.

Why critically at the weapon systems?

Why not everything that goes inside mogera. After all the tail was stabbed at mogera and the shock went inside the mech's machinery.

Took several direct hits from SpaceGodzilla's corona beam to puncture his armor (i.e. blow off its arm). We're talking about a weapon that on several occasions left nasty wounds on Godzilla's flesh. I don't need to bring up how much Godzilla has shrugged off without any visible wounds.

Godzilla only recieved a nasty wound in the first battle at birth island. When the battle took place in the city, SG's beam never did the same damage again. Explain that.

Perhaps its because SG never repeated the tactic of shooting the beam at the same spot repeatedly. After all, godzilla recieved the huge wound on its shoulder at birth island because the same spot was shot numerous times.

BTW, Mogs was shot at the throat and the upper portion of the chest, not the head.

Are we talking about the space battle? If so, then the weapon system was never repaired manually by the pilots. Odds are the original pilots were killed, since we never saw them ever again. Also, during the conflict, the pilots never had to manually repair the weapons. If it did happen, please cite the time code in the movie. If you're right, then cool.

No, I was refering to the first city battle between SG and MOGS.

You're missing the point. The pilot directly stated all weapons were nonfunctional. That doesn't mean every other system was disabled. This also doesn't mean the pilots manually repaired MOGUERA. If you noticed, MOGUERA never fired another weapon after SpaceGodzilla skewered him, electrified him, and tossed him away.

Mogs was critically damaged in its first encounter with SG in the city. That is when Yuki regained his consciousness and attempted to wake up the knocked out pilots to get Mogera back on its feet.
This is where the weapon system was manually repaired.

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by Kaiser MG

Why critically at the weapon systems?

Why not everything that goes inside mogera. After all the tail was stabbed at mogera and the shock went inside the mech's machinery.

I don't know. SpaceGodzilla's electromagnetic aura doesn't always disable every power source. The space station for example had power, yet certain aspects of it were unable to be used.

Godzilla only recieved a nasty wound in the first battle at birth island. When the battle took place in the city, SG's beam never did the same damage again. Explain that.

I can explain that. Fact is, SpaceGodzilla's corona beam did inflict nasty wounds on Godzilla during the city battle as well. It's just the matter of looking in the right places. I'll see if I can provide pictures.

Perhaps its because SG never repeated the tactic of shooting the beam at the same spot repeatedly. After all, godzilla recieved the huge wound on its shoulder at birth island because the same spot was shot numerous times.

Irrelevant when it comes to a creature that can regenerate its body.

BTW, Mogs was shot at the throat and the upper portion of the chest, not the head.

Did I say MOGUERA was shot at the head? Could you explain this statement?

No, I was refering to the first city battle between SG and MOGS.

Thank you for clarifying. Since no attempt was made to manually repair, I'll go with either the mechanics were too badly damaged or the pilots were in a hurry to get out before being destroyed along with MOGUERA.

[Light Surge]

I don't know. SpaceGodzilla's electromagnetic aura doesn't always disable every power source. The space station for example had power, yet certain aspects of it were unable to be used.

Look, The red pulses you saw on SG's back are not confirmed to be EM-based. They mostly show up on SG's dorsal fins before he fires his corona beam and at times appear at random. Why is it so hard to believe that the red surge could indeed be corona energy?

I can explain that. Fact is, SpaceGodzilla's corona beam did inflict nasty wounds on Godzilla during the city battle as well. It's just the matter of looking in the right places. I'll see if I can provide pictures.

Yes, please do that.

Irrelevant when it comes to a creature that can regenerate its body.

Whether he regenerated or not, that wound was pretty visible. It was the only time I saw the corona beam blow such a mark anyway.

Since Its the only reason why I believe SG's corona beam is powerful, its pretty much relevant to this topic. However since I never saw such a wound appear a second time, I say that it was made because of repeated strikes on the shoulder.

Thank you for clarifying. Since no attempt was made to manually repair, I'll go with either the mechanics were too badly damaged or the pilots were in a hurry to get out before being destroyed along with MOGUERA.

Oh god,

Tom, what are you talking about?

here is what I was refering to:

Mogs was critically damaged in its first encounter with SG in the city. That is when Yuki regained his consciousness and attempted to wake up the knocked out pilots to get Mogera back on its feet.
This is where the weapon system was manually repaired by one of the pilots.

This is where mogera makes his first retreat in the city battle. At the time he appeared for the second encounter the pilot who makes the repair, states "all done" or something like that to inform his crew that the weapon systems were repaired.

Did I say MOGUERA was shot at the head? Could you explain this statement?

I never denied that. But you’re the one claiming physical force was used. When you apply physical force to something – namely to cut power – there is damage left on your bloody target. You do not see it on MOGUERA’s eyes.

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by Kaiser MG

Look, The red pulses you saw on SG's back are not confirmed to be EM-based. They mostly show up on SG's dorsal fins before he fires his corona beam and at times appear at random. Why is it so hard to believe that the red surge could indeed be corona energy?

And it was never confirmed that the 'red surge' is corona energy, yet it doesn't stop you from believing that. I'd also like to add, I never denied it wasn't. This discussion, namely the debate with Jeff, was about the space battle and the dispute shrouding the energy SpaceGodzilla was pumping into MOGUERA.

You're going to have inform me exactly what you're responding to. My statements concerned something other then whatever point you're trying to make. I'll enlighten you: the electromagnetic wave SpaceGodzilla used on MOGUERA in space is what I'm discussing for this portion of the debate.

However, just to respond to your comment directly, would it be enormously difficult to comprehend that maybe the properties of SpaceGodzilla's corona beam isn't different from the energies of his shocks?

Yes, please do that.

Very well.

http://www.boomspeed.com/godzillauv/D5.JPG

The top picture occurs before the bottom one. In the top picture, I ask you to look at Godzilla's neck. See anything strange? I'll help you. What's strange is that Godzilla's flesh was penetrated. This occurs right after SpaceGodzilla's corona beam struck it. For informational purposes, it's the start of Godzilla and SpaceGodzilla's first fight in the city.

The bottom picture shows that the wound has been healed.

Whether he regenerated or not, that wound was pretty visible. It was the only time I saw the corona beam blow such a mark anyway.

For a while, I thought the same. But it just takes your eyes and some patience to see if damage was done elsewhere in the movie. It was.

Oh god,

Tom, what are you talking about?

here is what I was refering to:

This is where mogera makes his first retreat in the city battle. At the time he appeared for the second encounter the pilot who makes the repair, states "all done" or something like that to inform his crew that the weapon systems were repaired.

I know. But your original post was in regards to the second time in the final battle that involved MOGUERA losing its capability to fire weapons. You simply used your above statement to help your point. I just wanted information about the latter to respond to the former, which I just did.

Here's one of your post that concerned this ordeal:

Originally Posted by Kaiser MG

After all his other systems were still functioning example the emergency escape pod and the booster system which was able to allow mogera to ram into SG. I know that they were not functioning at optimum effieciency but by than mogs was heavily damaged.

I was simply responding to the root of your points. Do you know what I'm talking about now?


Also, concerning the post that involved me saying:

"Did I say MOGUERA was shot at the head? Could you explain this statement?"

You responded with:

"I never denied that. But you’re the one claiming physical force was used. When you apply physical force to something – namely to cut power – there is damage left on your bloody target. You do not see it on MOGUERA’s eyes."

If you actually were keeping up with the debate at hand, you would've known that my above comment is not me saying MOGUERA was ever shot in the head. It was in regards to one of Jeff's comment, who believed the EM wave is not electromagnetic, but merely a concussive wave that inflicts physical damage. My response was the one you quoted.

In other words, I didn't say MOGUERA was shot at the head. I was only responding to someone who believed that was the case. (Which would be true, but then again you never clarified what point you were trying to make. Are you saying MOGUERA was never shot at the head by the corona beam or the EM wave? Corona beam never struck MOGUERA's head, but the EM wave did.)