Titanosaurus vs. King Ghidorah (Showa)

[DragonGhidorah]

Who would win King Ghidorah or Titanosaurus
Note I know it say's his height is 100m but I believe Showa Ghidoras height is actually 60m, any way both weigh the same and both are incredibly strong who wins.

[anguirus55]

Not a bad fight, but I think KG will almost certainly win by flying and beam-spamming. Titanosaurus proved pretty vulnerable to Godzilla's beam.

[Hybrid Gojira]

KG beats Titano as aforementioned by the Anguirus master himself.

[DragonGhidorah]

Originally Posted by anguirus55

Not a bad fight, but I think KG will almost certainly win by flying and beam-spamming. Titanosaurus proved pretty vulnerable to Godzilla's beam.

That's only because Godzilla's beam was at its most powerful during TOMG which might explain why they didn't hurt Ghidorah because it was weaker earlier on and finally since when have Ghidorah's ray's ever hurt anyone except for Mothra larva.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Originally Posted by DragonGhidorah

That's only because Godzilla's beam was at its most powerful during TOMG which might explain why they didn't hurt Ghidorah because it was weaker earlier on and finally since when have Ghidorah's ray's ever hurt anyone except for Mothra larva.

Godzilla and Rodan were both hurt by the beams. Rodan, who shrugs off Godzilla's beam for nought and Godzilla were at times hiding from Ghidrah's beams.

[DragonGhidorah]

Originally Posted by Hybrid Gojira

Godzilla and Rodan were both hurt by the beams. Rodan, who shrugs off Godzilla's beam for nought and Godzilla were at times hiding from Ghidrah's beams.

Ok they did but barely.

[anguirus55]

That's only because Godzilla's beam was at its most powerful during TOMG which might explain why they didn't hurt Ghidorah because it was weaker earlier on and finally since when have Ghidorah's ray's ever hurt anyone except for Mothra larva.

It's entirely possible that KG, Godzilla, and Rodan are all simply more resilient than the T-man.

Titanosaurus is extremely strong but no evidence is really out there indicating he's durable. And Hybrid pointed out why KG's beams are probably stronger than Godzilla's.

[Zardac the Great]

Is Titanosaurus being forced to fight?

If he isn't, he may leave.

[yargh]

Interestingly, if this was a HTH fight, I'd favor Titanosaurus by a slim margin.

He's a beast in HTH, and that fan tail might prove useful.

However, it's not, and Ghidorah will beam spam Titanosaurus to death.

[GMK12]

I'm with Yargh, HG and Ang on this one... Titano just can't stack up enough damage in time to beat Ghidorah.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by GrandMasterKaiju12

I'm with Yargh, HG and Ang on this one... Titano just can't stack up enough damage in time to beat Ghidorah.

Like hell he can't.

Showa Ghidorah's beams are near worthless. They don't even hurt kaiju much at all other than Ang (who is made of paper.) Titano won't be effected at all. And this Ghidorah is a dunce. He likes to play his oppnents game of attacking on the ground. He will get close and he will be slaughtered the minute he does. Remember, Titano beat the **** out of Later Showa Goji while Showa ghidorah got his *** beat on by the same Goji. So, going by that, Titano would slaughter him.

Winner: Titanosaurus
loser: Showa Ghidorah

[Hybrid Gojira]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Like hell he can't.

Showa Ghidorah's beams are near worthless. They don't even hurt kaiju much at all other than Ang (who is made of paper.) Titano won't be effected at all. And this Ghidorah is a dunce. He likes to play his oppnents game of attacking on the ground. He will get close and he will be slaughtered the minute he does. Remember, Titano beat the **** out of Later Showa Goji while Showa ghidorah got his *** beat on by the same Goji. So, going by that, Titano would slaughter him.

Winner: Titanosaurus
loser: Showa Ghidorah

Yes, Titanosaurus might be better up close but that means nothing if he is beamed to death before hand. We know Ghidorah will do that, and Titanosaurus was lambasted anytime he was hit with Godzilla's ray. With 3 beams toasting him, my guess is Titano will not hold up. He'll fall over or leave, just like that movie depicts.

And he did not own Godzilla. Anytime Godzilla had an advantage, MG managed to turn the tide on him and give it to Titano. Furthermore, we also know Ghidorah will likely take to the air if he is in trouble, just as he did in Ghidrah before Rodan pasted his scaley hide into the ground.

[anguirus55]

They don't even hurt kaiju much at all other than Ang (who is made of paper.) Titano won't be effected at all.

Anguirus = immune to Godzilla's beam.

Titanosaurus = not immune to Godzilla's beam.

Work it out in your head.

[Hybrid Gojira]

To add to that:

Rodan shrugged off Godzilla's beam, even on [i]point blank[i] to his face. Ghidorah's beams, however, forced both monsters to HIDE behind rocks.

[DragonGhidorah]

Originally Posted by Hybrid Gojira

To add to that:

Rodan shrugged off Godzilla's beam, even on [i]point blank[i] to his face. Ghidorah's beams, however, forced both monsters to HIDE behind rocks.

Rodan has nether been hit by a full powered Godzilla beam

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by anguirus55

Anguirus = immune to Godzilla's beam.

Oh no! Showa Ang can take a beam that was not much stronger than G'54's in GRA! ANd he got hit with it, what? ONCE? And the second time is when he was BURNED. He was also chased away by the military in Godzilla vs. Gigan. Lame. He was also owned totally in every match he was ever in.

Titanosaurus on the other hand beat the living hell out of Later Showa Godzilla rather easily. The same Goji that soloed Showa Ghidorah in Godzilla vs. Gigan. Just let that sink in for a bit.

Titanosaurus = not immune to Godzilla's beam.

GRA Showa Goji's Breath <<<<<< TOMG Showa Goji's Breath.

Work it out in your head.

I did. And it still comes out as Titanosaurus breaking KG like an egg.

[anguirus55]

Can anyone quantify the differences between early and late Showa Godzilla? Like drawing a dividing line? Cause frankly, I've NEVER seen the big difference power-wise. Quantify this perhaps?

Titanosaurus on the other hand beat the living hell out of Later Showa Godzilla rather easily.

No he didn't. He is stronger than Godzila, but he required MG's help. Whenever it was just the two of them Titanosaurus was insta-owned.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by anguirus55

Can anyone quantify the differences between early and late Showa Godzilla? Like drawing a dividing line? Cause frankly, I've NEVER seen the big difference power-wise. Quantify this perhaps?

Early Showa Godzilla never pulled uber Judo moves, his beams never destroyed buildings like his later version did nor did it hurt anything like later Shwoa Goji's beams did. Also, he was not as strong or durable.

No he didn't. He is stronger than Godzila, but he required MG's help. Whenever it was just the two of them Titanosaurus was insta-owned.

Not quite. In the second fight, Titanosaurus was owning Goji. MG helped, but Titano was definitly owning him... You know, the same Goji that made Ghidorah look like a weak fool in Godzilla vs. Gigan.

[BS Digital Q]

Took a peek at the scene, just out of curiosity (BTW, one of the best kaiju battles ever, IMO). First half is pretty back and forth, one moment Goji's getting punched in the face, next second Titano is getting thrown into a bunch of buildings. Towards the middle Goji actually overpowers Titanosaurus, but gets cheap shot by MG...insert Showa Goji getting a muderous beadown from Titano, a few missiles in the chest, and getting kicked a mile or two...yeah, pretty brutal fight.

Thats a pretty simplified/generalized description of what I just saw. Titano's definitely a beast thats for sure, but he *can* be beaten.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by BS Digital Q

Thats a pretty simplified/generalized description of what I just saw. Titano's definitely a beast thats for sure, but he *can* be beaten.

Of course he can. But KG doesn't have the needed abilities or strength (or intellegence for that matter) to do it. Titano and Later Showa Goji are practically even in overall strength. And since later Showa Goji totally trounced Shwoa Ghidorah single handedly, I don't see why Titanosaurus can't do the same thing.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Oh no! Showa Ang can take a beam that was not much stronger than G'54's in GRA! ANd he got hit with it, what? ONCE?

Untrue. Godzilla used his breath three to four times, POINT BLANK, and it never worked. Obviously you wouldn't continue to do something that doesn't work, would you? Secondly, Ang was beaten before Godzilla torched him. He wasn't moving.

As for beam strength, Showa Godzilla's beam NEVER caused super damage in any film. It did things like melt tanks, start fires, and level buidlings and self-defense forces. His beam strength remained fairly consistent. Mind you, Godzilla's ray NEVER harmed Ghidorah and proved to be more of an annoyance.

Thirdly, Godzilla pwns a Ghidorah (GvsGigan) that was mind controlled and confused. He and Gigan even start to fight each other. Call me crazy, but Ghidorah was NEVER at his best in this film. It can be chalked up to *gasp* mind control and a lack of wanting to be there to begin with. This is verified because in Monster Zero, Ghidorah does much better after the aliens are beaten and lose control of the monster. Case in point.


Lastly, we find that yes, Titanosaurus is very apt to fight physically, but ANYTIME, repeat, ANYTIME Godzilla hits him with his ray he falls over. In fact, he lays down, screaming in what I would say is nasty pain. Ghidorah's beams are going to roast him, and he has 3 of them AND he can fly.

KG>Titanosaurus.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Hybrid Gojira

Untrue. Godzilla used his breath three to four times, POINT BLANK, and it never worked. Obviously you wouldn't continue to do something that doesn't work, would you? Secondly, Ang was beaten before Godzilla torched him. He wasn't moving.

In GRA, Goji's beam is not much stronger than what was shown in Gojira. It was a mist like beam that only caught buildings on fire and didn't blow them up. And just because Ang is dead, doesn't mean his 'durability' (or lack tehre of) magically vanished. It means his body is weak and easily burned.

As for beam strength, Showa Godzilla's beam NEVER caused super damage in any film. It did things like melt tanks, start fires, and level buidlings and self-defense forces. His beam strength remained fairly consistent. Mind you, Godzilla's ray NEVER harmed Ghidorah and proved to be more of an annoyance.

True. But it got stronger over time. Every film duting the 70's for instance his beam did more damage to certain kaiju and does more damage overall unlike his beam in GRA or KKvs.Godzilla and the other early films.

Thirdly, Godzilla pwns a Ghidorah (GvsGigan) that was mind controlled and confused.

That is one lame excuse.

He and Gigan even start to fight each other. Call me crazy, but Ghidorah was NEVER at his best in this film. It can be chalked up to *gasp* mind control and a lack of wanting to be there to begin with.

Or it could be, Ghidorah is still at his peak of power and Godzilla got so massivly powerful by then that it didn't matter any more. Ghidorah was the same. He used his same tactics and abilities he showed in every other film he was in. But he was not any stronger while Goji jumped up in strength.

This is verified because in Monster Zero, Ghidorah does much better after the aliens are beaten and lose control of the monster. Case in point.

Then how come he sucked WORSE when the aliens lost control in Godzilla vs. Gigan? I will tell you why, because Godzilla was stronger than he was st tht point.

Lastly, we find that yes, Titanosaurus is very apt to fight physically, but ANYTIME, repeat, ANYTIME Godzilla hits him with his ray he falls over. In fact, he lays down, screaming in what I would say is nasty pain. Ghidorah's beams are going to roast him, and he has 3 of them AND he can fly.

Ghidorah fights on his opponents level. So flight means absolutly nothing. An d those beams are MUCH weaker than Showa Goji's. They never hurt any kaiju, including Gorosaurus and Ang seriously. And again, by the time of TOMG, Goji's abilities and strength were much better than they were during Monster Zero or GTTHM.

[anguirus55]

his beams never destroyed buildings like his later version did nor did it hurt anything like later Shwoa Goji's beams did

What has '70s Godzilla destroyed with his beam?

Frankly, parsimony suggests that the monsters got weaker, rather than the beam getting stronger. Rodan is known to have astounding heat resistance anyway, and while later-series Anguirus has been owned a lot he's never had serious trouble with beams.

Anguirus' body being set on fire is an inconsistency, but considering that DAM shows us he survived the incident, I think it's a stretch to call him weak because of it.

As for the battles between King Ghidorah and Godzilla, watch GvsG again. King Ghidorah is just having a bad day. He's barely fighting back. If he actually attacked Godzilla, he's still striking the same creature he sent flying like a rag doll back in 1964. What Gigan shows us is that Godzilla and KG are on the same tier...either can beat the other. Godzilla's skill makes up for KG's advantages in, well, everything else.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Originally Posted by Orga777

In GRA, Goji's beam is not much stronger than what was shown in Gojira. It was a mist like beam that only caught buildings on fire and didn't blow them up. And just because Ang is dead, doesn't mean his 'durability' (or lack tehre of) magically vanished. It means his body is weak and easily burned.

His beam never really does things that would indicate its strength changed. You would have to provide evidence.

True. But it got stronger over time. Every film duting the 70's for instance his beam did more damage to certain kaiju and does more damage overall unlike his beam in GRA or KKvs.Godzilla and the other early films.

Why does it have to be they get stronger, and not weaker? Both could apply.

That is one lame excuse.

Not in the least. Ghidorah is controlled, suddenly finding himself next to some new "ally" he's never seen. The monster has ALWAYS flown solo, and they even start to fight EACH OTHER rather than Godzilla. It is not only plausible, it is acceptable and better than your "lame" verdict you so brazenly attached to it.

Or it could be, Ghidorah is still at his peak of power and Godzilla got so massivly powerful by then that it didn't matter any more. Ghidorah was the same. He used his same tactics and abilities he showed in every other film he was in. But he was not any stronger while Goji jumped up in strength.

Or it just MIGHT be that you need to read my above post again.

[quote[Then how come he sucked WORSE when the aliens lost control in Godzilla vs. Gigan? I will tell you why, because Godzilla was stronger than he was st taht point. [/quote]

No. Watch the movie. Read my post. Connect the dots.

Ghidorah fights on his opponents level. So flight means absolutly nothing. An d those beams are MUCH weaker than Showa Goji's. They never hurt any kaiju, including Gorosaurus and Ang seriously. And again, by the time of TOMG, Goji's abilities and strength were much better than they were during Monster Zero or GTTHM.

You keep chiming about Godzilla's new found beamy goodness, yet not ONCE have you posted anything to back that up. Please do.

They DID hurt kaiju. Or did you miss my initial posts? Godzilla and Rodan were HIDING. Taking cover. They even stumble backwards when hit by the beams. Mr. Titanosaurus is just as likely to fall over and lay down, squawking like a duck as he ALWAYS did when hit with Godzilla's beam. Did you notice that he takes a LONG time to get up? I did, and we both know that Ghidorah is a beam-freak since that is his most effective means for attack. Titanosaurus will be hit with beams from the very beginning, the same beams that cut through buildings with precision (watch Ghidrah) blew Mothra sky high. The same beams that made Godzilla and Rodan HIDE.

From the time the bell goes "ding, ding" Ghidorah will be roasting Titanosaurus. It goes like this:

"Ding, ding."
Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam.
Titanosaurus falls.
Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam.
Squawk.
Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam. Beam.

"Ding, Ding."

[anguirus55]

This one really kills me:

An d those beams are MUCH weaker than Showa Goji's. They never hurt any kaiju, including Gorosaurus and Ang seriously.

When has Godzilla's blast done so in the Showa series?

More relevantly, when has Godzilla's blast wreaked destruction on a scale comparable to King Ghidorah's?