Venezuelan poll results are in...

[Zigra]

Originally Posted by Morgoth

Communism is the most abhorent, abominable and vile concept diseased minds have ever concocted - it has put power in the hands of such well-balanced, wholesome men as Mao, Stalin and Pol Pott.

The problem right there is that by identifying those men as being in power of their respective goverments, you've essentially proven that what these men created was not Communism at all. It was Facism wearing the very thin disguise of Communism. In the misguided concept of Communism, everybody is equal. Nobody would be different from one another. So, when you put an individual or a group of people "above" other people, it automatically isn't Communism anymore.

Of course, any way you look at it, Communism is a load of BS. People simply are not equal, no matter what some doped up hippy may tell you. A person who actually cares about other people and does their best to help and look out for others is not in the same league as, say, a serial rapist.

[Morgoth]

Well, Zigra, communism is such an unnatural thing that it has to have a powerful, oppressive force to impose it on people. One of the most natural, indeed vital, human traits is the desire to better oneself and one's family. Only the most degenerate and worthless varieties of humanity don't have this impulse to achieve. To impose a form of existence that removes the value of achievement you need thugs and guns. The Pol Pott example is the best, because what that fiend created was certainly a communist government. No cities, no private ownership, not even a real sense of social hierarchy (he purged a hell of alot of the Khmer Rouge when they started acting like the 'old guard' and expecting some benefit from supporting the movement's rise to power). Again, communism in its realisation is such a dehumanizing, abominable affair that you have to have guys with rifles making sure nobody tries to escape.

Pyras, I really sympathize. Venezuela has a long and rich history and is a genuinely beautiful country, much like Cuba actually. Once the people rise up and get rid of this ten-penny gorilla, it'll be a great country again.

[Goji Son]

Originally Posted by PyrasTerran

"Enjoy your victory for now, because it's starting to fill with s***. It is a s*** victory. Say what you want of our loss and of our cause, but it is one of courage, of valor, of dignity..."

What a wonderful, dignified, charismatic piece of prose that is. **** prose always gets attention.

[Goji Son]

Originally Posted by Zigra

The problem right there is that by identifying those men as being in power of their respective goverments, you've essentially proven that what these men created was not Communism at all. It was Facism wearing the very thin disguise of Communism. In the misguided concept of Communism, everybody is equal. Nobody would be different from one another. So, when you put an individual or a group of people "above" other people, it automatically isn't Communism anymore.

Of course, any way you look at it, Communism is a load of BS. People simply are not equal, no matter what some doped up hippy may tell you. A person who actually cares about other people and does their best to help and look out for others is not in the same league as, say, a serial rapist.

It may not be the 'ideal' of communism but history proves repeatedly that it certainly leads to a fascist dictatorship.

[SuperXAsh]

Originally Posted by Zigra

Of course, any way you look at it, Communism is a load of BS. People simply are not equal, no matter what some doped up hippy may tell you.

Oh yeah... specially fun to get them started on about Nixon. MAN is that a funny sigh to see some dried up hippie talk about how "evil" Nixon was, yet will turn right around and speak great things about Ol' Uncle Fidel Castro.

I also find it fun to talk with Marxists who think that by reading a book by some diseased mind from the Industrial Revolution Age automatically makes them enlightened or something. It's a hoot.