Non-kaiju characters in The New Era.

[KAMERUS88]

Hey Morgoth have u ever thought of doing anything with the illuminati?

[Sword_of_Geddon]

who are the Illuminati?

[Zigra]

Look it up

The problem with using the Illuminati is that such a term is ill-defined and could be used to to describe any secret organization that believes itself to have secret knowledge (especially in regards to all matters of theology and the occult).

[Morgoth]

I don't know if I'll ever touch on the illuminati. I think there are enough nefarious groups already plaguing the New Era without throwing them in as well.


As for Testsuo, he'll be involved rather nastily in the storyline behind the automated anti-kaiju defense network that the UNGCC establishes on Storm Island - in fact, this might be such a miscalculation on the part of the UNGCC that they could very well cease to exist afterwards.

[Sword_of_Geddon]

heres another idea: how about some good secret organizations/societys?

[LizardKing]

I dunno about you but Red Bamboo is plenty good for me and if your into cults read G vs. C

[Morgoth]

I think Sword of Geddon means a group that isn't out to cause havoc and destruction. However, I have to say that most of the heroics are usually out in the open - slinking and secrets are something best left to the bad guys, at least for the New Era. Helps to contrast them more starkly with the good guys.

[Sword_of_Geddon]

True, but what about a group of heroes who has no choice but to be in the shadows?

For example, with all the Demons, Government organizations and Evil Wizards(of which two are currently in the new era) running around, you'd think a group of Good Wizards wouldn't be able to be out in the open without putting themselves in danger.

It also makes sense if you think about it. Before the New Era, those Wizards could exist as well, but to avoid the Government, they hid, fighting a supernatural war while most of humanity was totally ignorant of their pressence.

[Cole Deschain]

Originally Posted by Sword_of_Geddon

heres another idea: how about some good secret organizations/societys?

Well, secret, by it's very nature, implies slightly sinister aspects...

Even my Serizawa Society concept isn't all sweetness and light.

After all, in the wake of Bagan's rampage, you'd think anybody with an interest in fighting supernatural evil could find some sort of government or popular support- which makes sneaking around counterproductive.

[Morgoth]

Plus I approach magic in a much different way from what is popularized in stuff like D&D or Harry Potter. Magic isn't a nice thing, even 'good magic'. It violates natural laws, perverts reality and even at its most benevolent allows a residue of raw energy that the gibbering fiends 'outside' can use to slip into our world. I think a really good example of why one doesn't see 'good magic' is that anyone who gains the knowledge to become a powerful wizard also comes to understand its corrupting influence and the dire consequences of using it. Hence we see why well-meaning wizards like Hoichi are so vastly inferior to evil *******s like Kato, Eiji and Lord Conqueror - they understand the fact that they must limit their use of these powers, otherwise they simply replace one dread adversary with another. Think of it in terms of Gamera and his use of the mana beam - he uses that force to destroy Legion, but as a result so drastically harms the balance of energy in the world that entire flocks of gyaos begin to awaken across the globe.


One is much more likely to find people like the Odaka Foundation - men who know about magic, but don't use it, relying instead upon less harmful ways to oppose the darkness.

[Sword_of_Geddon]

Well, if not Magic, than how about Psionics? We already know that Psionic-Using individuals exist in your new era Clint, but how about more powerful psionic-users with different powers like Telekinesis, Temperture Control(Pyro or Cyro-Based) and otherwise. Perhaps this group is very old, and had been protecting Mankind from evil Supernatural beings for along time.

[Cole Deschain]

That's a trifle... superheroey.

[Darth Reaper]

Plus I approach magic in a much different way from what is popularized in stuff like D&D or Harry Potter. Magic isn't a nice thing, even 'good magic'. It violates natural laws, perverts reality and even at its most benevolent allows a residue of raw energy that the gibbering fiends 'outside' can use to slip into our world. I think a really good example of why one doesn't see 'good magic' is that anyone who gains the knowledge to become a powerful wizard also comes to understand its corrupting influence and the dire consequences of using it. Hence we see why well-meaning wizards like Hoichi are so vastly inferior to evil *******s like Kato, Eiji and Lord Conqueror - they understand the fact that they must limit their use of these powers, otherwise they simply replace one dread adversary with another. Think of it in terms of Gamera and his use of the mana beam - he uses that force to destroy Legion, but as a result so drastically harms the balance of energy in the world that entire flocks of gyaos begin to awaken across the globe.


One is much more likely to find people like the Odaka Foundation - men who know about magic, but don't use it, relying instead upon less harmful ways to oppose the darkness.- Morgoth

That's interesting Clint, because I tend to look at magic as being like science, it's only as good or bad as the people who use it. It can be a positive force in the right hands, and a negative force in the wrong hands. But, who knows, maybe you're right.

Besides, there is something to be said for moderation. If you jump into a situation head first, guns blazing, there's a chance that you'll do more harm than good, whether you're using magic or something else. It's good to cinsider how much force you need to use and when to use it.

That's a trifle... superheroey.- Cole Deschain

So are wizards sometimes, but they seem to work just fine in Clint's capable hands.

Maybe, psionic powers would make a good, more natural, counter agent to mystical powers.

[Darth Reaper]

Hey Clint, going back to my Ivan Drago idea, how powerful do you think he should be? I agree with you that his abilities shouldn't be too over-the-top and "super-heroy," but at the same time he is supposed to be a super-soldier, so I think he should be capable of things that normal humans, even top athletes, aren't capable of. What's the point of being a super-soldier if your really no better than a normal person? So, how super should this super-soldier be?

Again, I actually think that Captain America might be a good model for Drago. He wasn't really super-human, at least not in the same sense as Superman or Spider-man, he's been described more as being the peak of human achievement, a perfect human specimen. So, he probably is capable of things that normal people aren't because even a lifetime of regular physical training probably wouldn't bring the same kind of perfection that he's achieved. But, at the same time, he's not faster than a speeding bullet or more powerful than a locamotive.

So, tell me what you think Clint, okay?

[Kaiser Kronos]

Is there a chance of seeing Ra's Al Ghul in the New Era? He sounds like your average New Era villain to me, anyway. Perhaps a reference? Yay, or nay?

[Darth Reaper]

I'm performing a bit of internet necromancy on this thread because I figured that it was the best place for this post.

After giving it some thought, I find myself intrigued by the idea that legendary creatures like Werewolves, Vampires, Succubi, Incubi, Goblins, Orcs, Ogres, Trolls, Ghouls, and just about every other mean, nasty thing that you can think of are all different kinds of Yeren. The Yeren that Lord Conquerer created in China were what you might call generic Yeren. The people were possessed by demons and then mutated into all manner of random forms without rhyme or reason. But, for lack of a better term, the other creatures that I mentioned are specific breeds of Yeren, who take on a specific form and function in a specific way when they possess a human host.

I'm intrigued by the idea that all of these nasty things could have a common origin, and that they could all be people who were possessed by demons and transformed into these terrible things. This would certainly add weight to Clint's perspective that Vampires are utterly inhuman, irredeemably evil creatures, because they're actually demons in human flesh.

As for stories like becoming a Vampire if you're bitten by one, or that you become a Werewolf if you're bitten by one, you could say that being bitten by one of these things leaves you vulnerable to the same kind of demon possession and thus you beccome one of them too.

Anybody else have any thoughts on this. Morgoth, Zigra, I'm looking in your directions, and it's hurting my eyes, so respond quickly before I go blind.

[Zigra]

Since these stories are mostly centered around Japan, China, etc. I'd like to see more creatures from Eastern mythology and folklore. More oni, yokai, etc.. But, I do think we saw quite a few of those things in Koumajutsu and Sorrow.