Triple Godzilla Threat

[IceDragon2]

Who would win in this battle royale between three versions of our favourite King of the Monsters? The contestants are

1. Heisei Godzilla (Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla version)
2. SuperMechagodzilla
3. Spacegodzilla


Location: Birth Island

Rules...
1. Godzilla CAN use his Spiral Ray.
2. Spacegodzilla has no powersource but does have access to the three crystal pits.
3. Mechagodzilla has both the Garuda and the G - Crusher.

[Orga777]

Is it bad that I find Heisei Godzilla completely irrelivent in this fight? This just comes down to Space Godzilla and Super Mecha-Godzilla. Then it becomes a debate of whether Space Godzilla's minor interference with mechanical items will be enough to give him a win, and if the possibility of the Corona Beam which just operates differently from normal heat beams can find some way to get around Mecha-Godzilla's heat-absorbing armor (like maybe the heat will be absorbed, but the piercing effect may still apply.) Other than that, this might as well be a one on one fight.

[GMK12]

Spiral beam? How is this not an insta-win for Heisei Goji? He killed both these guys with the very same beam he can now freely use.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by GMK12

Spiral beam? How is this not an insta-win for Heisei Goji? He killed both these guys with the very same beam he can now freely use.

1) Mecha-Godzilla's armor plating melted before Heisei Godzilla got the Spiral Beam due to Rodan's meltdown. Even then he still took multiple blasts before exploding.

2) Space Godzilla's Shoulder Crystals were already destroyed and he was drained of most of his power (and dieing) by the time Heisei Godzilla got the Spiral Beam, and even then he still took quite a few blasts before officially dieing.

3) Just because Heisei Godzilla has his Spiral Blast capabilities for this fight, does not mean he will use it till too late in the fight any way. Just like he has always done in the last three movies of the Heisei Series. It always seemed to me that he has only ever had it after a huge energy boost of some sort. He never just shot off beam after beam freely. If he could do that, then he would have done so against Space Godzilla and Destroyah through the entire fight.

[GMK12]

You know me and quote boxes Orga


My argument can survive ONLY and IF that ambiguous initial rule of "1. Godzilla CAN use his Spiral Ray" means what I interpreted it as meaning. That Godzilla will be equipped with his Spiral Ray for a good chunk of the duration (if not all) of the fight and shoot it off quite freely.

Now, other than that, is there concrete evidence supporting your perception of MechaG's armor being able to supplant a barrage of Spiral Beam?

And same goes for SpaceG, even with his shoulder crystals, which I think would make for only a target anyways, would he be able to weather a torrent of Spiral streams?

Once again this is all conjecture anyways up until ID clarifies what she meant about rule number 1.


On the chance that she meant CAN use spiral way in the same way Goji behaves with it in the movies, then well... what you've said about Goji being irrelevant in this fight pretty much checks out. I just found it odd one would clarify such a universal point with a rule in the intro post if not to make an exception of sorts (that exception in my interpretation was that Goji COULD use his beam freely).

Also, I do agree with your final paragraph. No qualms here. EDIT: except of course that typo of yours that implies Goji DIDN'T use his spiral ray freely against Destoroyah. Because we would both know that would be highly erroneous.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by GMK12

My argument can survive ONLY and IF that ambiguous initial rule of "1. Godzilla CAN use his Spiral Ray" means what I interpreted it as meaning. That Godzilla will be equipped with his Spiral Ray for a good chunk of the duration (if not all) of the fight and shoot it off quite freely.

I personally don't think so. But I am just going by what we see in the movies. This question is best left answered by the thread poster.

Now, other than that, is there concrete evidence supporting your perception of MechaG's armor being able to supplant a barrage of Spiral Beam?

It absorbs heat beams. I do not see much evidence that it would be easily overloaded before the G-Crusher comes into play. Now, it is possible to overload the system with the Spiral Beam, but how long would it take if the weaker defenses took a few Spiral Beams before finally exploding? I think it will take too long to matter much in this fight.

And same goes for SpaceG, even with his shoulder crystals, which I think would make for only a target anyways, would he be able to weather a torrent of Spiral streams?

It isn't that defenses would be better, but after those things were destroyed, Space Godzilla was expending all of his energy and was already dying. Not only that, but SG has been known to shield himself from Goji's beam.

Also, I do agree with your final paragraph. No qualms here. EDIT: except of course that typo of yours that implies Goji DIDN'T use his spiral ray freely against Destoroyah. Because we would both know that would be highly erroneous.

No, it is not erroneous. The red colored beam we see through the movie (and in turn against Destroyah) is just a slightly stronger regular beam that is now red due to the power overload. The Spiral Ray, in turn, are those last few beams before meltdown that caused the humongous explosions at the end against Destroyah. They again only showed up at the last moment due to the out of control energy which gave Goji a "boost" of sorts.

[GMK12]

Originally Posted by Orga777

No, it is not erroneous. The red colored beam we see through the movie (and in turn against Destroyah) is just a slightly stronger regular beam that is now red due to the power overload. The Spiral Ray, in turn, are those last few beams before meltdown that caused the humongous explosions at the end against Destroyah. They again only showed up at the last moment due to the out of control energy which gave Goji a "boost" of sorts.

Due to this one statement discrediting me from being at all credible at this point in this debate, I contract all my prior posts. I wouldn't find it right to continue a debate with a logic that's been so easily exposed as highly flawed as per KP standards.

[IceDragon2]

Originally Posted by GMK12
My argument can survive ONLY and IF that ambiguous initial rule of "1. Godzilla CAN use his Spiral Ray" means what I interpreted it as meaning. That Godzilla will be equipped with his Spiral Ray for a good chunk of the duration (if not all) of the fight and shoot it off quite freely.

The first rule means that Godzilla can use the Spiral Ray whenever he wants, but still follows his pattern of attack in the movie. Sorry if that wasn't clear before.

[GMK12]

Originally Posted by IceDragon2

The first rule means that Godzilla can use the Spiral Ray whenever he wants, but still follows his pattern of attack in the movie. Sorry if that wasn't clear before.

Deprived of the only thing that can make for a real debate in this match-up, and despite my logic error, I am inclined to agree with Orga's initial summary of the battle.

Picking up after where Orga leaves us last in the fight, a one on one confrontation with SMG and SG, the rules of the fight makes for a rough tough closer than usual fight between the two.

Wanting to keep my response short, I don't think SG's inherent electronic disturbance will garner too much of an advantage, though I do have an opinion on the Corona Beam being absorbed by SG's armor.

The piercing effect can only exist with heat. Short of having something physical to cause the piercing damage, if the heat is absorbed then there isn't a force to create the piercing effect.

Now, there can be a debate on whether or not the very design of the beam can cause problems with the heat absorbing properties of the armor, since an armor with absorption properties is usually conceptualized as being able to handle sprays or beams with a decent diameter. The concentrated nature of the Corona Beam may very well in effect overload small spots of the armor and still be able to cause tremendous damage to SMG.