25. Godzilla (Kiryu) vs Gamera (Heisei)

[MirrenDono]

Originally posted by Saruman
I would suggest you go back and look again because that is hardly the case at all. Did you miss that when Kiryu first arrives on the battle field and attacks Goji, that Goji just stands there and watches him land right in front of him? Goji stood there for a full 1 minute 16 seconds and did NOTHING but stare at him after he had been attacked, and nothing interrupted them.

It's also suggested that he recognized that Kiryu was essentially one of his own kind. The fact that he flat out retreats from the fight when Kiryu goes into Godzilla mode heavily hints that Goji doesn't want to do battle with one of his own species.

And regardless of whether that's true or not, it's not a big deal. It really would have little effect on a fight unless the enemy had a major attack that could put Goji down in one hit. Problem is, most guys don't have that.

Why should you be spared, the more suffering the better.

Because I'm one of the best this place has.

(haha, hehe)

Possible, but if he's in HTH with Gamera chances are he's going to get his butt handed to him.

Depends on what Gammy opts for. An elbow slash or some serious throws would work, but slaps and shoulder pushes wouldn't put this guy down.

I would say it's A LOT worse than what Kiryu goji took, HKG does weigh 70,000 metric tons, and to have him jump up and down on you repeatedly is pretty nasty no matter who you are.

That's true, but one of those crushes possesses no where near the same force that a flying ram from Kiryu does, or Kiryu throwing Goji like a bola.

Please, Gigan split Goji's head open, that was a brutal attack. If Kiryu Goji took a beating like that he would be sleeping the whole night. The same with an all out assualt from MG.

Too bad MG missiles with the majority of attacks in an All Weapons Assault. And even worse, Kiryu-Goji has shown to shrug off attacks of a similar nature. At the most, he'd wiggle a bit from Kiryu's Missiles, he could walk through the Wrist Lasers like they were supersoakers, and he didn't even take a step back from Mothra's blast.

Then again, as previously said, being shot is a helluva lot different from being nailed by a speeding car. That will knock you out far more often than being shot in the shoulder or something.

The battle in GRA is simply the most viscious battle in the entire Godzilla series, no other fights compare with it, it's purely animalistic. But that does not take away from how brutal the fights are in GRA.

It was animalistic, but Goji and Ang almost never deliver serious blows. Before the end, that worst thing that happens is that Goji trips over Ang's back, Goji is knocked over from Ang's kick, and they both smash through a building.

Kiryu-Goji could take that while sitting on the crapper reading old G-Fans.

Nope, it's just funny that your saying it in this thread, because this Goji just can't dish out anything remotely close to what Heisei Gamera has already taken in abundance.

I'm not arguing to sway votes or anything, hell, I barely have a reason for this in the first place.

The time does not matter, if this Goji's beam is as powerful as everyone want's to make it out to be then it should have blown right through her wing and left a large visible hole, but it didn't. The same with the other beam that hits the length of her wing for a good length of time. If the beam was as powerfl as people claim then that wing should have been torn off of Mothra right there. It's not just a glancing blow, that beam covered he wing completely top and bottom going the entire length of the wing.

It's the equivalent of a grazing shot from a bullet. If the entire thing hits you, it's a lot worse of a wound than it simply passing by your skin barely touching it. Kiryu-Goji's beam has to be hitting its target in full for a fair amount of time to do serious damage, I don't see what's unreasonable about that.

I mean, this guy incinerated a 36 x 108 meter, 12,000 ton Kaiju. This guy created Kaiju-sized explosions any time his beam hit the ground. This guy's ray was so radioactive that it shut down Kiryu's systems on a regular basis. This beam is dangerous when used right.

Almost there, have one sequence left to do but it's the largest one and one of the most important.

I guess I'll have to go clean up the mess in the Biollante vs. Kiryu-Goji thread

[anguirus55]

And Godzilla's beam didn't push back Mothra either....Oh that's right, I forgot that you simply discount that as bad movie making and throw that out because it isn't "realistic"

WTF? I never said this. If you were debating someone who had, I suppose that would be a good point.

I said that Godzilla's beam not shoving Mothra may be a low outlier. You distortion of my position is a textbook strawman. You don't discard Kiryu getting hurled because Mothra didn't, especially because the force Mothra applied in order to ascend may have canceled out the push.

How can they have little force when they do blow apart a Gyaos when they hit, shown more than once in the films? See thats the difference between Gamera's plasma balls and Gojis beam, the plasma balls just blow up when they contact something, they aren't going to push back anything because its exploding in chunks.

They have (relatively) little pushing force. If the kaiju isn't vulnerable enough to heat and flame to superheat and explode, then the fireball isn't liable to do much.

Oh and aren't you the one always showing your support for the Heisei Gyaos because they are so durable and powerful? Or is that simply not a factor here because you do not want it to be? I guess it's just another double standard.

You are claiming that there is an inconsistency in my position that does not exist. In simple terms, Gyaos have a certain amount of durability. This Godzilla has more. ONLY if I had claimed in addition that Godzilla had less durability than a Gyaos would you hae found an inconsistency.

Just because you think Kiryu-Godzilla is scraping the bottom of the barrel does not mean that I do.

Then you need to watch the Gamera Trilogy again. He showed strengeth far greater than anything Kiryu or Godzilla has by holding back Legion at the Airport and by ripping two of the flower pods out of the ground.

In order to prove this you have to show rthat Godzilla and Kiryu couldn't do the same thing, when they are perfectly capable of hurling each other willy-nilly.

You also might want to note that Kiryu Goji was pushed back rather easily by Mothra's winds, Kiryus rocket packs and Kiryu himself. Kiryu Goji does not display very much in the way of superior physical strength and is probably the weakest Goji in terms of raw physical strength I have seen.

Again, you lack a comparison that would make this Godzilla weak. Kiryu's rockets can propel him through the air. OF COURSE they can blow back Godzilla. Mothra propells herself through the air, OF COURSE her wake has a lot of force behind it. And in both films Godzilla and Kiryu both push each other back and forth equally when they are truly wrestling, indicating with near-certainly that they are of comparable physical strength!

Oh and please tell me where Kiryu had to "dodge fire" in that scene as you put it, to close the gap? Goji was not firing his beam at him, they walked right up to each other and Goji got mauled because of it. So again please tell me where this "Kiryu had to dodge fire" is coming from?

I was describing the scene in GxMG, and as we all know, Kiryu ducked a shot.

The other time he hit the wing it was length wise which just washes over the wing because its thin and poses no resistance when hit in that way.

If it shows no physcal resisance to the beam, how can it get pushed back? Without physical resistance the beam just blows on by. This is entirely consistent.

Just like your throwing out anything you simply don't agree with in a movie because it isn't possible IRL. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

Back this statement up in your next post, or else retract it.

I use logic to analyze what's on the screen. So do you, in my experience. If you are no longer employing logic, I will consider that a concession, because no discussion we can have can possibly yield constructive or interesting results. Without "RL" comparison, you're just making stuff up.