Hesie mechagodzilla vs Hesie Kaijuus

[Terminator 800]

This Topic tends to be more of a one sided brief overview of how Hesie Mechagodzilla can beat most of the monsters I have seen appear in different monster movies I have seen, with me as the pilot of course . You are welcome to argue about possibilities of these fights or comment on my strategy.



Hesie Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla: not much here, only thing is that I not allow any beam lock (Specially the one which led mechagodzilla to overheat and than being thrown and stomped on by godzilla).

Instead I would have mechagodzilla ram godzilla and knock him down with support from beam weapons. Than jet pack upwards ( standing posture, not laying posture) and hover towards godzilla's head. Than I would have it go high and stomp on Goji's head instead , with weight like mechagodzilla's, godzilla is sure to recieve a head ache worse than the one he recieved when king ghidora did it. If that does not kill him
than turn to Super mech and do what those guys did on the movie. only this time when rodan lands on top of goji, I would shoot it with all beam weapons so that it is knocked off goji and the strength is not transmitted.


Hesie Mothra vs Hesie Mechagodzilla(no offence Eternal Mothra):

Killing mothra would be the hardest of them all but most enjoyable. lets not forget she's got strenght that could throw my mech a long distance away so I have to be careful with ramming her.

So we start of with being far distant away from her. Hover above in stand posture and ram her head or go even higher (yes higher cause I saw it fly on the blue sky in the movie) and than shoot her eyes and than ram from above. if she is still fast, than have garuda destract her and than do the following. Make sure she falls down and than either crush her body with stomp like the one performed with Goji, or use G-crushers with paralyzer missles, eitherways she should be pinned on the ground, thus she is toast.

Note: Incase she gets more troublesome with pollen clouds, than form into SMG and than simply absorb her beam (beam aborb stuff written below for confirmation on anykind of beam being absorbed) or use ram with full jet power and push her all the way to screech the ground.

King Ghidora vs Hesie MG:

Start off by having it land in front of MG. When he starts to reign his death rays, and absorb them (Yes, MG can absorb any kind of beam but with limit, depending on how strong the beam is, you can confirm over to Toho Kingdom since they also have this Kaijuu matchup stuff and it is written that MG can absorb Death Ghidora's beam till some extent).

When the beam has been absorbed, fire it back with all Beam weapons MG got, (at this moment prepare G crushers with aimer)

when KG starts to lower down and protect itself, Fire G-crushers and everything u got.




For now that is enough, when I will get more time, I would write on defeating Biollante, Destroyah and Space godzilla.


Edit:I do realise that my topic is on the wrong board so moderators move it to the right one.

[Terminator 800]

1. Heisei Mecha-Godzilla cannot take a hit from an attack at all.

2. Unless the beam is radiation based it cannot be absorbed, so King Ghidorah's gravity beams wouln't be absorbed and not to mention if he starts stomping on it, the mech will be totaled.

3. It is very slow moveing without Garuda on it.

4. Destroyah, Space Godzilla, and Biollante would totally annialate it in .03 seconds no matter the pilot. For one reason Destroyah can break down and reform in full glory in limited time. Biollante's only visible weakness came from Godzilla's radiation in his beam which MG doesn't have. And Space Godzilla's Corona beam which has peircing abilities will tear into MG's rather mediocre armor easily.

5. No pilot is good enough or skilled enough to do half the things you are saying like shooting Mothra's eyes and all that. Not to mention Mothra's beams downed Godzilla in only a few hits while the only beam MG has that can hurt anything is the Plasma grenade and since that won't be pumped up from any beam except beams with radiation in it it is a moot point. Heck Mothra also has pollen which will reflect the beams back at MG anyway.

6. And even if you did blow Rodan away from Goji, Rodan pretty much 'melted down' and Godzilla absorbed the surronding radiation from it. So Goji still would have been revived from it.

No offense, just replying here...

offense not taken, just keep this a friendly debate .
Now here are my replies:

1. Heisei Mecha-Godzilla cannot take a hit from an attack at all.

1. Really? Don't be to sure about that. You must be refering to Rodan's pecking thing that took the eye power down right. Well I must say, "the eye" did'nt actually blow off, it just lost power cause when it transformed into SMG, its eye was restored. other than that, it took a beating from goji cause it over heated, not because of godzilla smacking it.

Why don't you look at other Toho stuff which has this mechagodzilla like about ALL GODZILLA GAMES that have Mechagodzilla. Its the samething, it can absorb anykind of beam and charge itself. Name one thing other than the that crappy movie that proves ur theory is right.

Toho knows all so ask them first.

2. Unless the beam is radiation based it cannot be absorbed, so King Ghidorah's gravity beams wouln't be absorbed and not to mention if he starts stomping on it, the mech will be totaled.

on the contrary, kingy will be the one who will get stomped on after it has taken the G-crushers. Even if MG can't take the gravity Beams, it will still be able to Respond by firing its other beams which will have ghidora take for cover by his wings, allowing Easy target for G-crushers (having it aimed while firing the beams), For this kind of situation I would not be the only pilot controlling MG, I would be with a good talented crew you know, and I would not certainly have to tell them what to do, except for something like "shoot his eyes" cause thats what really good organised pilots are (none of that military discipline crap here).

Destroyah, Space Godzilla, and Biollante would totally annialate it in .03 seconds no matter the pilot. For one reason Destroyah can break down and reform in full glory in limited time. Biollante's only visible weakness came from Godzilla's radiation in his beam which MG doesn't have. And Space Godzilla's Corona beam which has peircing abilities will tear into MG's rather mediocre armor easily.

I will have a stretagy for MG to annihilate them all in .02 seconds. Remember, MG is a mech, it can be modified by humans. For example it can have all laser beams exchanged for low temperature weapons for destoroyah, it won't even overheat lol .

No pilot is good enough or skilled enough to do half the things you are saying like shooting Mothra's eyes and all that. Not to mention Mothra's beams downed Godzilla in only a few hits while the only beam MG has that can hurt anything is the Plasma grenade and since that won't be pumped up from any beam except beams with radiation in it it is a moot point. Heck Mothra also has pollen which will reflect the beams back at MG anyway.

I'am hope u have understood what I wrote above about the piloting thing and weapons replacement. Other than that mothra is not a bug goddess, megalon might be a god, but not mothra. I'am sure I don't need to write further more for you to understand.

And even if you did blow Rodan away from Goji, Rodan pretty much 'melted down' and Godzilla absorbed the surronding radiation from it. So Goji still would have been revived from it.

Alright so what we should do is have mechagodzilla retreat for now and fight some other time with situation suited weapons. It did take quite a while for Godzilla to be completely revived so thats about enough for SMG to escape.

Or

Continously shoot rodan when it reaches godzilla, keep shooting. I'am sure not ALL the radiation would be absorbed. So than pelt godzilla with everything, specially paralyzer missles and than use G-crushers again instead of waiting like those dumb pilots in the movie.

3. It is very slow moveing without Garuda on it.

So whats the big deal, turn into Smg when u are in need of speed like escaping or Super ramming.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

1. Really? Don't be to sure about that. You must be refering to Rodan's pecking thing that took the eye power down right. Well I must say, "the eye" did'nt actually blow off, it just lost power cause when it transformed into SMG, its eye was restored. other than that, it took a beating from goji cause it over heated, not because of godzilla smacking it.

No, the fact that MG has the weakest armor around for a mech. MOGUERA is even better with armor. And look what happened in the first fight with Goji not to mention the fact that Rodan beat down MG bad enough where he couldn't even battle Godzilla until Garuda combined with it.

Why don't you look at other Toho stuff which has this mechagodzilla like about ALL GODZILLA GAMES that have Mechagodzilla. Its the samething, it can absorb anykind of beam and charge itself. Name one thing other than the that crappy movie that proves ur theory is right.

And? Games are one thing, but for a kaiju debate yu go by what you see in the movies since that is THE MAIN CANNON.

on the contrary, kingy will be the one who will get stomped on after it has taken the G-crushers. Even if MG can't take the gravity Beams, it will still be able to Respond by firing its other beams which will have ghidora take for cover by his wings, allowing Easy target for G-crushers (having it aimed while firing the beams), For this kind of situation I would not be the only pilot controlling MG, I would be with a good talented crew you know, and I would not certainly have to tell them what to do, except for something like "shoot his eyes" cause thats what really good organised pilots are (none of that military discipline crap here).

The G-Crusher only works on Godzilla. That is why it is call G-Crusher. And shooting the eyes won't even mater. Godzilla shots his beams at kaiju heads all the time with no effect at all, so what will those lasers do? Nothing. not to mention the only reason KG took any damage at all was beacuse the Nuke pulse severly weakened his body. He was takeing Goji's beams fine till that happened.

I will have a stretagy for MG to annihilate them all in .02 seconds. Remember, MG is a mech, it can be modified by humans. For example it can have all laser beams exchanged for low temperature weapons for destoroyah, it won't even overheat lol

Won't matter, because after the first meeting the mech would be so demolished that it would be destroyed. Not to mention a couple shots of the OD spray from Destroyah will practically leek into the circuts of MG any way.

I'am hope u have understood what I wrote above about the piloting thing and weapons replacement. Other than that mothra is not a bug goddess, megalon might be a god, but not mothra. I'am sure I don't need to write further more for you to understand.

She is a mythical creatur that has to telepathic fairies that talk to her. That equals goddess to me.

Alright so what we should do is have mechagodzilla retreat for now and fight some other time with situation suited weapons. It did take quite a while for Godzilla to be completely revived so thats about enough for SMG to escape.

So you run away.... Like Godzilla would let you.

Continously shoot rodan when it reaches godzilla, keep shooting. I'am sure not ALL the radiation would be absorbed. So than pelt godzilla with everything, specially paralyzer missles and than use G-crushers again instead of waiting like those dumb pilots in the movie.

Your right hte rest will melt MG's armor like it did in the movie. Then Goji will shoot his spiral beam and obliterate the mech again.

So whats the big deal, turn into Smg when u are in need of speed like escaping or Super ramming.

MG cannot press hth combat. He would be demolished.

[Orga777]

Oh, and BTW, Orga, Heisei MG's armor doesn't absorb armor, it absorbs heat. If you want to know why, well, here's two very brief reasons: 1), its refferred to in the movie as a heat shield, and 2), because it is made out of diamonds. Diamond works very well at absorbing heat, in fact it can absorb quite a bit of it. However, diamond cannot absorb radiation; this is easy, since Heisei Godzilla's beam is a heat beam, not a plasma or radiation beam like some claim.

I don't remember sayying it absorbed armor? Do you mean radiation? Gotta get it right BS. But yes I see what you mean, but it still won't work against KG or Mothra.

[Terminator 800]

Terminator, all of your arguments are based in fundamental errors. First of all, Kaiju Karnage is not about HOW one kaiju can defeat another, but if they CAN. We thus operate by the most likely scenario, not a detailed strategy like yours. Secondly, it appears you are using the SNES side-scroller video game "Godzilla: Kaijuu Dai Kessen" as the basis for your evidence. Please understand that for all intents purposes, we go by what happens within the movies, NOT video games. Indeed, a rule was recently put up by the administrators that specifically bars video game kaiju from the KK. There are some good reasons for this.First of all, movies can provide us with detailed evidence of what a kaiju's power level is via their performance against other kaiju, and the effects of their various attacks both against kaiju and non-kaiju targets, like the environment for instance. In a video game, these variables have been quite literally tossed to the wind. There is no set power level between kaiju in such a game, as games are designed so that one player playing as Gigan could wipe the floor with say Destroyah, when its very clear that if it was the cinematic versions of these two kaiju fighting, that Destroyah would win every single time. We know this because of what occurs in the movies both kaiju appeared in. However, video games operate on completely different sets of rules, and as such cannot be used in the KK.That said, please use an argument for the MOVIE version of Heisei Mechagodzilla, not his SNES version.Oh, and BTW, Orga, Heisei MG's armor doesn't absorb armor, it absorbs heat. If you want to know why, well, here's two very brief reasons: 1), its refferred to in the movie as a heat shield, and 2), because it is made out of diamonds. Diamond works very well at absorbing heat, in fact it can absorb quite a bit of it. However, diamond cannot absorb radiation; this is easy, since Heisei Godzilla's beam is a heat beam, not a plasma or radiation beam like some claim.

Keep the weapon modification possibility in your mind, MG is a mech, weapon changing is one of the biggest advantages of mechs, because if those other living kaijuus can have so many abilities and various advantages, You know it is pretty fair for a mech to have its weapons upgraded or replaced. keep in mind that the power of the weapon replaced would be proportional for size and weight of it (so it can fit easily, we are'nt talking about changing the mechs whole body, just its weapons and armour.)Besides that, if MG fights someone other than godzilla, than won't the humans have enough brains to replace the weapons? would they want their only hope of survival to have a pea shooter as the only weapon for fighting enemies like Destroyah.

No, the fact that MG has the weakest armor around for a mech. MOGUERA is even better with armor. And look what happened in the first fight with Goji not to mention the fact that Rodan beat down MG bad enough where he couldn't even battle Godzilla until Garuda combined with it.

1, Rodan did not have Mg beat down, it only damaged power being supplied to one of his eyes.2, No, I believe moguera does not have better armour. read movie discription at Toho Kingdom carefully. Power is something quite close to this.3, I'am saying this for the last time, "Mg was not able to fight godzilla cause it overheated."4, yeah, the humans did not anticipate that in the first fight they should have kept firing godzilla with beams and paralyzing missles when they fired G-crushers. I'am sure there is a seperate switch for all weapons.

The G-Crusher only works on Godzilla. That is why it is call G-Crusher. And shooting the eyes won't even mater. Godzilla shots his beams at kaiju heads all the time with no effect at all, so what will those lasers do? Nothing. not to mention the only reason KG took any damage at all was beacuse the Nuke pulse severly weakened his body. He was takeing Goji's beams fine till that happened.

so? exchange G-crushers with "King Ghidora" crushers. They both will do the same thing. The lasers in MG are'nt exactly what I would call cheap,uneffective,useless and being as crappy as Mecha king ghidoras beams were like. Oh and watch the movie closely he did kinda lower his heads down when godzilla shot him the first time and took about 5 seconds to get up and fly, thats pretty much enough time for MG to fire "KG" crushers to crush him.

Won't matter, because after the first meeting the mech would be so demolished that it would be destroyed. Not to mention a couple shots of the OD spray from Destroyah will practically leek into the circuts of MG any way.

OD, damage MG? don't know to much about that, but freezer guns exchanged for eye beams, Mega buster and plasma grenade could be more than enough to kill destroyah.

She is a mythical creature that has to telepathic fairies that talk to her. That equals goddess to me.

Looks more like a giant butterfly to me. oh and she has something that makes her age rapidly and become old and weak, not sure if that is in Hesie version, but mothra is just mothra.

So you run away.... Like Godzilla would let you.

King ghidora almost got away, I mean if godzilla was lying down reviving than maybe king ghidora would have actually escaped like Destroyah did (we are talking about goji here, not Super X3)

Your right hte rest will melt MG's armor like it did in the movie. Then Goji will shoot his spiral beam and obliterate the mech again.

You completely misunderstood me or ignored what I wrote, did'nt ya.

MG cannot press hth combat. He would be demolished..

Regarding rams and body collisions;Watch the movie again, specially the scene when Mg moves towards garuda for becoming SMG.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

1, Rodan did not have Mg beat down, it only damaged power being supplied to one of his eyes.

They also said in the movie that they were too damaged to fight Godzilla or something to that effect. I don't remember I haven't watched that terrible movie in a while.

2, No, I believe moguera does not have better armour. read movie discription at Toho Kingdom carefully. Power is something quite close to this.

MOGUERA took 8 repeated shots from Space Godzilla's corona beam to the exact same place before his arm came off. Add that with all the rest of the damage done to it throughout the battle with SG. You tell me what took more damage.

3, I'am saying this for the last time, "Mg was not able to fight godzilla cause it overheated."

And? He is built to destroy Godzilla. That is its only purpose. If it was so great and powerful they would have just rebuilt it instead of making MOGUERA.

4, yeah, the humans did not anticipate that in the first fight they should have kept firing godzilla with beams and paralyzing missles when they fired G-crushers.

The G-Crusher is the plan that they used to defeat Goji, not the hooks that they fired into his skin. Not like the beams hurt him anyway.

I'am sure there is a seperate switch for all weapons.so? exchange G-crushers with "King Ghidora" crushers. They both will do the same thing. The lasers in MG are'nt exactly what I would call cheap,uneffective,useless and being as crappy as Mecha king ghidoras beams were like. Oh and watch the movie closely he did kinda lower his heads down when godzilla shot him the first time and took about 5 seconds to get up and fly, thats pretty much enough time for MG to fire "KG" crushers to crush him.

LOL. Those beams hurt Godzilla. Heck MKG's beams are probably more powerful than most in the Heisei era. And no, he did lower his heads, but he didn't let out a roar of pain, he took it and flew up and started to totally own Godzilla. Not like I can say the same for MG.

OD, damage MG? don't know to much about that, but freezer guns exchanged for eye beams, Mega buster and plasma grenade could be more than enough to kill destroyah.

Well, the OD spray did a number on those stone pillars and buildings when it hit them. And it will be a little hard to have a plasma grenade against something that can't be absorbed by MG's armor being shot at it.

Looks more like a giant butterfly to me. oh and she has something that makes her age rapidly and become old and weak, not sure if that is in Hesie version, but mothra is just mothra.

Yea, it is also a moth that can fly into space. And no Heisei Mothra is vcery diffrent from Showa. You saw what it did with the symbol after Battra and Godzilla fell into the water. Thats mystical right there.

King ghidora almost got away, I mean if godzilla was lying down reviving than maybe king ghidora would have actually escaped like Destroyah did (we are talking about goji here, not Super X3)You completely misunderstood me or ignored what I wrote, did'nt ya. Regarding rams and body collisions;Watch the movie again, specially the scene when Mg moves towards garuda for becoming SMG.

MG is pathetic in hth combat. It will be owned by every kaiju that it went up against if he went into hth combat. So it flew to connect with Garuda. When they were connected did you see it ram into Godzilla? I didn't think so.

[Draco Starcloud]

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

so? exchange G-crushers with "King Ghidora" crushers. They both will do the same thing.

Where is G-Force going to get a small, docile, Ghidorah-like creature to study in order to come up with a "Ghi-Crusher"? G-Crusher wasn't a weapon in itself; it was a strategy that took advantage of Mechagodzilla's arsenal, Garuda's new combination ability, and Miki Saegusa's psychic abilities to destroy Godzilla's second brain.

[Terminator 800]

They also said in the movie that they were too damaged to fight Godzilla or something to that effect. I don't remember I haven't watched that terrible movie in a while.

Yeah its a terrible movie because they changed the script of godzilla actually surviving instead of blowing up and changing baby into the new king of monsters. Oh and the actors sucked too.

And? He is built to destroy Godzilla. That is its only purpose. If it was so great and powerful they would have just rebuilt it instead of making MOGUERA.

Yeah, I think they should have done that, cause there is no rodan to revive him, plus learning from the mistakes they made, I'am sure they could form up something quite effective against that mean flame. Oh They actually do that, but its in a game called Godzilla Generations so forget it.

The G-Crusher is the plan that they used to defeat Goji, not the hooks that they fired into his skin. Not like the beams hurt him anyway.

LOL. Those beams hurt Godzilla. Heck MKG's beams are probably more powerful than most in the Heisei era. And no, he did lower his heads, but he didn't let out a roar of pain, he took it and flew up and started to totally own Godzilla. Not like I can say the same for MG.

MG's beams did hurt him, he actually roared when he got shot, I remember it. godzilla was so pissed off by the shot that he actually walked through electric fence just to stop him from using more of that. oh, and it knocked godzilla down when they were in a beam lock. Oh I remember somethine else too, it was Mg's beams that knocked godzilla down when they first fought, and than when goji used his radioactive breath, it was absorbed and fired back throwing godzilla like he was shot by a giant cannon ball. Not like I can say the same for king ghidora.

Lol MKG beams did'nt even scratch him. Godzilla was standing and roaring there without even tilting his head for some side effect. When I saw the movie for the first time, I thought Emmi was actaully missing all her shots, but after the second time, I found out, all the lasers did was create a hell lot of smoke.

and it does not matter if he roared or not. He was in defensive posture (protecting itself by its wings), I bet MG's laser would do the same (all beams with something powerful replacing the plasma grenade weapon since it is useless here).


OH and lets not forget, MG KILLED GODZILLA so thats what I call total pwn. Kingy was not even attacked by rodan first.

Well, the OD spray did a number on those stone pillars and buildings when it hit them. And it will be a little hard to have a plasma grenade against something that can't be absorbed by MG's armor being shot at it.

You again ignored what I said.

MG is pathetic in hth combat. It will be owned by every kaiju that it went up against if he went into hth combat. So it flew to connect with Garuda. When they were connected did you see it ram into Godzilla? I didn't think so.

Look orga, if u don't know what happened than don't type in something irrelevant. You are also ignoring most of what I'am saying so don't lead this topici into a flame fest. MG RAMMED GODZILLA. IT ALSO KILLED HIM. No Kaijuu has ever done that so MG owns well, most of them.

[godzy]

Originally Posted by BS Digital Q

When did he ram him? I don't see that happening anywhere on my DVD.

Right before Super MechaGodzilla is formed, Garuda shoots at Godzilla. It is then that Mecha G, well, scrapes along Godzilla's stomach, knocking him down.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

Yeah its a terrible movie because they changed the script of godzilla actually surviving instead of blowing up and changing baby into the new king of monsters. Oh and the actors sucked too

And your point is what? That is what you go by, you because THE MOVIES ARE THE MAJOR CANNON. If you continue arguing like that it will get you ripped apart worse than what I am doing. Pray you don't find your self in a argument with Pyras or Tomzilla.

Yeah, I think they should have done that, cause there is no rodan to revive him, plus learning from the mistakes they made, I'am sure they could form up something quite effective against that mean flame. Oh They actually do that, but its in a game called Godzilla Generations so forget it.

Your right forget it since it didn't happen in the movie, so it has no bearing on kaiju karnage match-ups since it didn't happen in the movie.

MG's beams did hurt him, he actually roared when he got shot, I remember it. godzilla was so pissed off by the shot that he actually walked through electric fence just to stop him from using more of that. oh, and it knocked godzilla down when they were in a beam lock. Oh I remember somethine else too, it was Mg's beams that knocked godzilla down when they first fought, and than when goji used his radioactive breath, it was absorbed and fired back throwing godzilla like he was shot by a giant cannon ball. Not like I can say the same for king ghidora.

I will give you the plasma grenade. It is definitly one of the most single strongest attacks. But all his other beams are rather worthless except MAYBE the Mega-Buster which still isn't really that impressive.

Lol MKG beams did'nt even scratch him. Godzilla was standing and roaring there without even tilting his head for some side effect. When I saw the movie for the first time, I thought Emmi was actaully missing all her shots, but after the second time, I found out, all the lasers did was create a hell lot of smoke.

LOL no beam attacks scrached Heisei Godzilla so moot point. And those beams were realy brutal and definitly were more powerful, but they can't do too much with a creature that has instantanious regenoration.

and it does not matter if he roared or not. He was in defensive posture (protecting itself by its wings), I bet MG's laser would do the same (all beams with something powerful replacing the plasma grenade weapon since it is useless here).

Well, KG only protected himself with his wings for one shot, he took the rest of them dead on with no ill effect at all. And your right MG's lasers would do the same thing which is no damage just like what happened with Godzilla.

OH and lets not forget, MG KILLED GODZILLA so thats what I call total pwn. Kingy was not even attacked by rodan first.

Heisei Rodan is pretty weak compared to most kaiju in the Heisei era. Kinda pathetic by useing that as a argument really. And it doesn't even matter that Godzilla was 'killed' by MG. It has already beem proven that it doesn't mean he is the pwner of teh world of kaiju.

Look orga, if u don't know what happened than don't type in something irrelevant. You are also ignoring most of what I'am saying so don't lead this topici into a flame fest. MG RAMMED GODZILLA. IT ALSO KILLED HIM. No Kaijuu has ever done that so MG owns well, most of them.

Well, it was covered already, so no need replying except to say that little glancing blow to knock Goji down was FAR from a slam. Now, the throw that Godzilla did top MG after he picked the mech that weighed twice his weight by teh head and throwing him, that is impressive.

[Draco Starcloud]

On a side note, I'm personally surprised Mechagodzilla's head didn't snap off when Goji swung him around like that.

[Terminator 800]

And your point is what? That is what you go by, you because THE MOVIES ARE THE MAJOR CANNON. If you continue arguing like that it will get you ripped apart worse than what I am doing. Pray you don't find your self in a argument with Pyras or Tomzilla.

I was commenting on the film not arguing. The only being ripped apart is u so stop give meaningless threats. Oh and regarding Pyras and Tomzilla, well as long as they can argue with truth and no Irrelevency, they are welcome to argue here.

I will give you the plasma grenade. It is definitly one of the most single strongest attacks. But all his other beams are rather worthless except MAYBE the Mega-Buster which still isn't really that impressive.

its much impressive than kingy's gravity beams. It equals to space goji's corona beam cause they are the only two beams that knocked godzilla down. Mg's eye beam is not too powerful but it makes a perfect secondary weapon. After all godzilla did show signs of pain when he was shot by them.

LOL no beam attacks scrached Heisei Godzilla so moot point. And those beams were realy brutal and definitly were more powerful, but they can't do too much with a creature that has instantanious regenoration.

I did not refer to "scratched" literally. If a beam knocks down godzilla than it is powerful. MKG's beams are not powerful or brutal, they are just pathetic.

Well, KG only protected himself with his wings for one shot, he took the rest of them dead on with no ill effect at all. And your right MG's lasers would do the same thing which is no damage just like what happened with Godzilla.

Godzilla did'nt use his beams after ghidora got up, he only used them after ghidora released his neck chocking attack.

ill effects:
1, lost center head
2, got a hole in the wing

Heisei Rodan is pretty weak compared to most kaiju in the Heisei era. Kinda pathetic by useing that as a argument really. And it doesn't even matter that Godzilla was 'killed' by MG. It has already beem proven that it doesn't mean he is the pwner of teh world of kaiju.

This paragraph needs further revision as it is completely the biggest crap I have heard here. no offense orga, but read it urself several times. You already knew mg was that good, u are just not going to accept it. Yeah, he can't pwn every single Kaijuu, but he can pwn more than 60% out of 100%, IF it has pilots with great tactics like me and a skilled crew.


Further more, I could not care any less how impressive u found that scene, cause godzilla does stuff like this to all the monsters in hesie era (I have seen all the hesie movies except G vs Mothra BFTE and return of godzilla). I already discribed what would happen to goji with me as a pilot. Goji would get its skull crushed by the tremendous weight in MG.

[BS Digital Q]

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

I was commenting on the film not arguing. The only being ripped apart is u so stop give meaningless threats. Oh and regarding Pyras and Tomzilla, well as long as they can argue with truth and no Irrelevency, they are welcome to argue here.

Truth? No. Opinions? Yes.

its much impressive than kingy's gravity beams. It equals to space goji's corona beam cause they are the only two beams that knocked godzilla down. Mg's eye beam is not too powerful but it makes a perfect secondary weapon. After all godzilla did show signs of pain when he was shot by them.

True, but thats more of a testament to Goji's stamina. Why? Well, I just veiwed the movie, and apparently Godzilla takes quite a bit of damage. This is because throughout the fight I noticed numerous scars across his body. He also was visibly irritated by them, as he waved his arms around and roared.

I did not refer to "scratched" literally. If a beam knocks down godzilla than it is powerful. MKG's beams are not powerful or brutal, they are just pathetic.

Godzilla did'nt use his beams after ghidora got up, he only used them after ghidora released his neck chocking attack.

ill effects:
1, lost center head
2, got a hole in the wing

Five times bub, FIVE times. And the blast that broke the neck was clearly a result of the nuke pulses' effect on Ghidorah, as earlier in the fight Ghidorah takes a blast to the neck with no ill effects.

This paragraph needs further revision as it is completely the biggest crap I have heard here. no offense orga, but read it urself several times. You already knew mg was that good, u are just not going to accept it. Yeah, he can't pwn every single Kaijuu, but he can pwn more than 60% out of 100%, IF it has pilots with great tactics like me and a skilled crew.

Yours is even worse. Seriously, at least Orga is semiliterate. 60 out of 100? Yeah, right.

And he never had a skilled crew to begin with. And when we look at these fights, we look not at what WE'D do, but what the CREW IN THE MOVIE did. Since they are a bunch of morons, he gets pwned most of the time.

And before you go on about "Oh, but this is what I would have done...", get serious. KK isn't about what you would do, its about the possibilities of one kaiju defeating another. Considering his numerous shortfalls and those of the crew in the film, I'd say Orga is damn straight.

Further more, I could not care any less how impressive u found that scene, cause godzilla does stuff like this to all the monsters in hesie era (I have seen all the hesie movies except G vs Mothra BFTE and return of godzilla).

Of course he does. He's a walking juggernaut, why shouldn't he be able to do stunts like that on a regular basis?

I already discribed what would happen to goji with me as a pilot. Goji would get its skull crushed by the tremendous weight in MG.

CUT THAT OUT! THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD DO!

KAIJU KARNAGE is about what would happen if one kaiju faced off with another, and the chances of one defeating the other. When we use a mecha, we always assume they have their default crew from the film. Your whole line about "If I did this..." is irrelevent because it has absolutely no bearing on the fight unless you wrote the script and directed the choreography! Can you just get that into your brain? If you want to discuss what should have occured, try the Kaijuology Department over at the Fannest Forums.

[Gothmog]

I'm not interested in getting into one of those big debates, but I'll add some tid-bits here:

Originally Posted by Terminator 800

its much impressive than kingy's gravity beams. It equals to space goji's corona beam cause they are the only two beams that knocked godzilla down..

Sorry, there are plenty of beams in the Heisei era that knocked Goji down so that's nothing impressive. In fact, the only beams I can remember off the top of my head that didn't knock him over(feel free to correct me)were Fire Rodan's(which he didn't get hit by), MOGERA's(which weren't fired at him for any long period of time)and Mothra's(haven't seen that movie in a long time so I'm probably wrong). Pretty much every other beam knocked him over at least once.

I did not refer to "scratched" literally. If a beam knocks down godzilla than it is powerful.

Seeing from what I just posted, no. Knocking over Heisei Godzilla isn't really that hard. For something with thighs that huge and such a big tail ya'd think he'd stay up, but he doesn't. Most of his adversaries knock him over somehow, whether from beams, projectiles or physical contact.

Yeah, he can't pwn every single Kaijuu, but he can pwn more than 60% out of 100%, IF it has pilots with great tactics like me and a skilled crew.

Laughable.
MG vs. Destoroyah=Des wins.
MG vs. Spacegodzilla=SG wins.
MG vs. Biollante=Bio wins.
MG vs. Battra Larva=Battra wins.
MG vs. Mothra Imago=Mothra wins
MG vs. King Ghidorah=KG wins.
MG vs. MOGERA(with a skilled crew)=Mogs wins.
MG vs. MKG(with a skilled pilot)=MKG wins.
See those kaiju? Those are the ones I'm almost completely sure MG will lose to. Those are also most of the kaiju from the Heisei era. The real reasons MG won against the two foes he went up against were:
1) Their beams were useless. He could absorb them and turn them against them.
2) MG was specially designed to defeat Godzilla(and even he lost twice) and Rodan just wasn't powerful enough.

When discussing on this board, please use only what happens in the movies. Other web-sites, games, comics, books or whatever holds absolutely no water at all. Unless it is from the movies itself or in a Toho-official book, don't even bother bringing it up.
Also, don't describe the kaiju battling doing things they normally wouldn't or couldn't do. The reason MG didn't do all the stuff you describe is because he just can't and that his opponents won't let him.

EDIT: Just noticed my comment was kinda uncalled for after reading BS's. Well, the more the merrier.

[Orga777]

MOGUERA in general would beat MG. Even with a bad crew. It would be interesting between MKG and MG though with Emmi at pilot. Good fight IMO. And you forgot battra adult as well who's even more powerful than the larva. Especally since he took three shots to the neck with an open wound point blank before going down, and has been shown that his beams have a peircing quality similar to SG's. Oh and Mothra's beam downed Godzilla easily. Infact Goji only took like 2 or 3 shots before going down.

[Draco Starcloud]

If you don't mind including manga, then MOGERA's already beaten Mechagodzilla. I've been told that the Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla manga has MOGERA hunting down a rebuilt and stolen Mechagodzilla and destroying it.

[Seer235]

I just have one thing to note. I apologize in advance for rudeness, but I believe it is necessary to be blunt.

OH and lets not forget, MG KILLED GODZILLA so thats what I call total pwn. Kingy was not even attacked by rodan first.

OMG! So did Super X! Super X must be teh PWNZORZ!!!!!111111

MechaGodzilla was successful against the one kaiju is was SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO FIGHT. The diamond armor (and plasma grenade) was only effective because of Godzilla's radiation heat beam (which most kaiju do not have). The G-crushers were only effective because of Godzilla's second brain (again, which most kaiju do not have). Without those, he has the relatively unimpressive garuda beams, eye beams, and not-so-unimpressive-but-not-terribly-strong mega buster (which causes it to overheat if used for extended periods of time). Not to mention MechaGodzilla got owned in physical combat.