Super Gyaos,Legion,Irys vs GKG,Mothra,Battra,and SMG

[GodzillaXBagan]

Legion does not have shield or the swarm. Irys cannot absorb with his tentacles, GKG cannot mind control.

The battle is in Osaka.

[Gorjirus]

Are Mothra and Battra in larvae or Imago forms?

And which Mothra?

[GodzillaXBagan]

Originally Posted by GodzillaXBagan

Legion does not have shield or the swarm. Irys cannot absorb with his tentacles, GKG cannot mind control.

The battle is in Osaka.

Both are Imago and the 92 version of Mothra.

[Gorjirus]

Hmmm....

Mothra and Battra are defeated first. Gyaos would do a number on both of them, as would Irys. That leaves Toho with GKG and SMG. Which leads to the inevitable question of what all SMG can absorb to power the plasma cannon. If nothing else, I would think that the EM Beam would be absorbed, giving SMG alot of juice.

With no shield, Legion does go down to either SMG or GKG, who does still have a shield. That shield I think it the turning point, going on the asumption that it would block the sonic cutter beams. Which means that Legion gets taken out, and that leaves Gyaos and Irys with only HtH.

Irys could possibly take out SMG in HtH, if SMG hasn't been juiced (at which point Irys would get alot of plasma gernade). But GKG, with his flight, could take out both of the remaining Gamera villians.

Which means, "Team Toho" for teh win.

[Seer235]

Gor, don't forget that Legion tends to short out electronics.

[Gorjirus]

Eh, kinda. It messes with them, but all those tanks and other vehicles worked fine (other than eventually getting blown up). It mainly messes up things that deal with frequencies, doesn't it?

[Orga777]

Lets look at the battle. Legion without the shield is STILL a monster to worry about. Gamera still had a lot of trouble with her. Irys speaks for himself with his power. And Gyaos is a speedster. Mothra and Battra die really fast. The sonic cutter is practically designed to cut through wings. SMG is a interesting choice. BUT I do not even see his beams effecting Legion or Irys much at all. And he will never hit Gyaos before he is sliced to bits. He won't be absorbing any beams shot at him in this fight either. He will be slag. That leaves GKG all on his lonesome against three kaiju all well designed to rip him to shreads. Interestingly enough, how effective will the shield be against the Sonic Cutter? It is just concentrated sound right so could that get through the shield? That would be bad because Irys has four of them he can blast off.

Team Daiei Demolishes

[Gorjirus]

He won't be absorbing any beams shot at him in this fight either.

Bull. The EM Beam is mainly heat. It'd get sucked up real fast. And with that much power, the plasma gernade would really damage Irys or Legion.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Gorjirus

Bull. The EM Beam is mainly heat. It'd get sucked up real fast. And with that much power, the plasma gernade would really damage Irys or Legion.

What? There is something called power overload you know. I have my doubts that the EM beam will be able to charge SMG without seriously screwing him up. It will be just like what happened to SMG when he was bashed by the Spiral Ray... exect unlike the Spiral Ray the EM Beam packs such a HUGE punch that it would only take one direct hit to demolish the mech. Of course that is assuming that Legion can aim it right which will not be the case. Unless the dip stick pilots decide to jump in front of it and try to absorb it which will probably end bad for them.

[Gorjirus]

It will be just like what happened to SMG when he was bashed by the Spiral Ray...

What? He was hit with the red ray AFTER the diamond shield was melted off. And it still took a few hits.

There is something called power overload you know. I have my doubts that the EM beam will be able to charge SMG without seriously screwing him up.

So, you first say it will give him too much power, but then say it won't abosrb any of it?

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Gorjirus

What? He was hit with the red ray AFTER the diamond shield was melted off. And it still took a few hits.

And? Do you think a blast like Legion's that cause exlosions like her beam does isn't going to damage the mech? It only took one beam against those tanks to produce an explosion that spread across the battle field that got much higher than Legion was. And the beam didn't even hit about half the area where the explosion occured! That is power.

So, you first say it will give him too much power, but then say it won't abosrb any of it?

I said that SMG will not be able to absorb it without getting seriously screwed up. Which means the mech will be seriously damaged from a shot from Legion's beam even if it can absorb some of it.

[Gorjirus]

And it would get hit WHILE it had the armor. And Legion either drags her beams or barely touches the target, meaning that SMG would only get a glancing hit.

And yes, I DO think that SMG could absorb that beam, as the explosion is a secondary effect (seen by the beam hitting something, THEN it exploding). The explosion is from the energy released by the beam. Meaning, that is SMG absorbed the energy, there would be no explosion.

Thus, SMG gets the juice, and withno shield, could totally take down Legion and Irys with GKG providing support.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Gorjirus

And it would get hit WHILE it had the armor. And Legion either drags her beams or barely touches the target, meaning that SMG would only get a glancing hit.

A glancing hit blasted a chunk out of Gamera's shell.

And yes, I DO think that SMG could absorb that beam, as the explosion is a secondary effect (seen by the beam hitting something, THEN it exploding). The explosion is from the energy released by the beam. Meaning, that is SMG absorbed the energy, there would be no explosion.

What? This isn't Heisei Goji's or Fire Rodan's beam. Legion's is vastly more powerful. I need a little more proof that there would not be an explosion if he is hit by it.

Thus, SMG gets the juice, and withno shield, could totally take down Legion and Irys with GKG providing support.

You seem to be taking Legion and Irys way too lightly Gor. And Gyaos for that matter. First Irys is amazingly fast and with those strong tenticals probably just impale the mech then rip him to shreads. Or Irys could you know, shoot off some of her Sonic Cutter Beams. And unless the Plasma Grenade (if it isn't damaged from all the energy that it absorbs) is somehow like the Mana Beam it will not take Legion out with one go and with her large size probably not move her very far. And even IF Legion falls Gyaos is still flying around ready to carve SMG to metal shavings. And though GKG is good, I don't think he can take on Gyaos and Irys by himself.

[Gorjirus]

A glancing hit blasted a chunk out of Gamera's shell.

I'm sorry, but Gamera's shell isn't exactly the benchmark for impressive durability. And notice that Gamera didn't explode.

What? This isn't Heisei Goji's or Fire Rodan's beam. Legion's is vastly more powerful. I need a little more proof that there would not be an explosion if he is hit by it.

I know. But how does beam strength of other kaiju have to do with Legion's beam properties? Explosions either come from chemical reactions or transference of heat. Legion's beam isn't chemical, so the explosions aren't from that. Thus, if Legion's beam would create explosions from a transference of heat, it would be absorbed by SMG. And if it is abosrbed, that would stop the explosion from happening, as the massive amount of heat being transferred would instead of simply causing material to expand at an insane rate, would be transferred into the plasma gernade power system.

You seem to be taking Legion and Irys way too lightly Gor. And Gyaos for that matter.

Gyaos? I am sure that GKG could take care of Gyaos. And it would still take time for Gyaos to take out Battra and Mothra.

First Irys is amazingly fast and with those strong tenticals probably just impale the mech then rip him to shreads

Irys is fast in the air. On the ground, she is a lumberer. Not fast at all. And the whipping tentacles don't impale. Only the large spear hands.

And unless the Plasma Grenade (if it isn't damaged from all the energy that it absorbs) is somehow like the Mana Beam it will not take Legion out with one go and with her large size probably not move her very far.

It doesn't take the Mana Beam to defeat Legion. It just takes something the equivalent of the Mana Beam to totally obliterate Legion. Without her shield, Leigon could be damaged and KO'ed by the plasma gernade.

Know, I know it wouldn't defeat her in one hit. But on one charge SMG can get more than one shot off.

And even IF Legion falls Gyaos is still flying around ready to carve SMG to metal shavings. And though GKG is good, I don't think he can take on Gyaos and Irys by himself.

Unless it allows Mothra and Battra to move around and attack first (a mistake that would be costly for Legion), Gyaos would take the two of them on. Mothra's powder, if Gyaos goes after Battra first, probably would effect Gyaos beam and cause (most likely) a limited paralysis.

But if Gyaos is attacking Mothra and Battra, then GKG could do one of two things: attack Legion or Irys, or help against Gyaos.

If GKG goes after Irys, it would be able to deal alot of damage. And SMG would get a charge from Legion, and already laid some pain. Battra and Mothra would most likely be defeated, IF Mothra is taken out first. If Battra goes out first, then Mothra would be able to use the powder. Or if the battle becomes more 3-D, while fighting Gyaos, Mothra could still use her powder over the rest, which would effect Legion or Irys. Either would be greatly effective, allowing GKG to become free, and help take out Gyaos. Then, even if Mothra is then taken out, Irys and Legion would have caused some self-damage, with SMG also dealing out damage. Then GKG adds to the mix.

Team Toho for teh win.

If GKG goes after Gyaos, then Mothra and Battra would probably both survive. SMg would be damaged, not defeated. But if Mothra survives, she can use her powder, and even (possibly) without SMG's firepower, GKG, Battra and Mothra (+ Legion's and Irys' self-damage), that would be enough to take out the rest of the opposition.

Team Toho for teh win.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Well, SMG is one big, barely-moving target...

I think she could hit it. Or atleast get close...which will lay some hurt down on SMG. GKG..ehh, he's the trumpcard of Team Toho. Though, I believe Irys could whip him. That leaves Mothra and Battra..yeah...they're toast.

Either way...eh, Super Gyaos will be taken out fairly quickly, and Irys and Legion can pretty much take on the others on their own. Legion is...Legion. Ehh...

I'll abstain, even though it seems like Daiei has a better shot.

[Light Surge]

Well, SMG is one big, barely-moving target...

Strange love, please stick to the general discussion section of this forum. The great amount of knowledge you have in history and politics is proportional to the lack of knowledge you have about kaijus. Atleast thats the way I see you at work.

You see...

SMG is a moving target. Its the pilots highest priority. Not once did the pilots ever command SMG to move in front of godzilla and engage in melee. They commanded him to hover mostly or move in somewhat to a perfect distance to shoot the enemy with the more devastating weapon. Thats it

[EternalMothra]

Originally Posted by Kaiser MG

Strange love, please stick to the general discussion section of this forum. The great amount of knowledge you have in history and politics is proportional to the lack of knowledge you have about kaijus. Atleast thats the way I see you at work.

You see...

SMG is a moving target. Its the pilots highest priority. Not once did the pilots ever command SMG to move in front of godzilla and engage in melee. They commanded him to hover mostly or move in somewhat to a perfect distance to shoot the enemy with the more devastating weapon. Thats it

He still does not move that fast, and is prone to be hit by virtually everything that the Daiei kaiju spout off.

[Dr. Strangelove]

SMG's "hovering" is still slow as hell. Legion is excelant in T&C and Beam-Wars..

Well, she's got an awesome beam, but the aim of an Imperial Stormtrooper.

[Gorjirus]

But SMG would simply absorb Legion's beam. And if Irys is covered by Mothra's powder (EM forte), then it would be screwed as well.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Gorjirus

I'm sorry, but Gamera's shell isn't exactly the benchmark for impressive durability. And notice that Gamera didn't explode.

The beam was a glancing hit Gor. And the amount of heat generated from teh EM Beam that would smack SMG from a direct hit would seriously screw the armor up. The armor melted. What caused it to melt? The radiactive dust caused from Rodan's I guess you can say meltdown. And that obviously had HEAT involved with that considering the armor melted. So if enough heat is generated then the armor goes bye bye. Which can possibly be the case here.

Gyaos? I am sure that GKG could take care of Gyaos. And it would still take time for Gyaos to take out Battra and Mothra.

Yea, GKG can easily take any single Gyaos. But it shouldn't take Gyaos long to take down either Battra or Mothra. I would give them two minutes tops before they are both sliced to ribbons. Neither will be able to even keep up with Gyaos let alone manuver like she can. Which also plays into the Sonic Cutter which will easily hit their mark since neither Battra or Mothra are that great at dodging beams.

Irys is fast in the air. On the ground, she is a lumberer. Not fast at all. And the whipping tentacles don't impale. Only the large spear hands.

Well then if Irys gets close those spear hand will do a number on SMG. And she still has a hole bunch of Sonic Cutters.

It doesn't take the Mana Beam to defeat Legion. It just takes something the equivalent of the Mana Beam to totally obliterate Legion. Without her shield, Leigon could be damaged and KO'ed by the plasma gernade.

If the armor isn't damaged that is. Or the Plamsa Grenade for that matter. It did overload before. Oh, and if a beam hit breaks off the horn I will feel bad for SMG because he will really be sliced apart.

Unless it allows Mothra and Battra to move around and attack first (a mistake that would be costly for Legion), Gyaos would take the two of them on. Mothra's powder, if Gyaos goes after Battra first, probably would effect Gyaos beam and cause (most likely) a limited paralysis.

HOW will Mothra catch Gyaos in her powder? Gyaos is WAY too fast to be captured by that.

But if Gyaos is attacking Mothra and Battra, then GKG could do one of two things: attack Legion or Irys, or help against Gyaos.

GKG will not be able to do much to Legion even without the shield and vice versa. Irys in areial combat would trounce GKG easily though.

If GKG goes after Irys, it would be able to deal alot of damage. And SMG would get a charge from Legion, and already laid some pain. Battra and Mothra would most likely be defeated, IF Mothra is taken out first. If Battra goes out first, then Mothra would be able to use the powder. Or if the battle becomes more 3-D, while fighting Gyaos, Mothra could still use her powder over the rest, which would effect Legion or Irys.

You are putting a lot of faith in the powder. The only one that it would effect is Legion because of how slow she is. And even if it does catch Irys and that is only if she is on the ground, I am not so sure that it will stop the Sonic Cuttera from getting through since it is just sound after all. Not to mention when the powder is used Mothra just floats there and is an easy target. Wait, it might not effect Legion for long either. She can dig underground.

Either would be greatly effective, allowing GKG to become free, and help take out Gyaos. Then, even if Mothra is then taken out, Irys and Legion would have caused some self-damage, with SMG also dealing out damage. Then GKG adds to the mix.

Mothra just FLOATS there and it isnt guarenteed that the Sonic Beams are reflectable. SO there probably won't be any damage except to Mothra.

[Gorjirus]

What caused it to melt? The radiactive dust caused from Rodan's I guess you can say meltdown. And that obviously had HEAT involved with that considering the armor melted

Acid can melt with no heat.

But if the meltdown had that much heat, which easily took multiple beams, then why did nothing else melt? If it was heat, then why did it just effect the NT armor, and not the rest of the mech? It was a cloud. And it only damaged the armor.

And do not forget that the unprotected mech STILL took multiple shots of the spiral beam before finally being taken out completly.

Yea, GKG can easily take any single Gyaos. But it shouldn't take Gyaos long to take down either Battra or Mothra. I would give them two minutes tops before they are both sliced to ribbons. Neither will be able to even keep up with Gyaos let alone manuver like she can. Which also plays into the Sonic Cutter which will easily hit their mark since neither Battra or Mothra are that great at dodging beams.

So, if GKG can easily take out Gyaos, and Gyaos can easily take out those two, don't you think that Gyaos would concentrate on what is attacking it, namely GKG?

Well then if Irys gets close those spear hand will do a number on SMG. And she still has a hole bunch of Sonic Cutters.

If Irys isn't being taken on by GKG at that point. And remember that SMG still has the paralysis missles, which were effective. And Garuda is also attached.

If the armor isn't damaged that is. Or the Plamsa Grenade for that matter. It did overload before. Oh, and if a beam hit breaks off the horn I will feel bad for SMG because he will really be sliced apart.

It did do something. I got the direct quote for a DD match. I'd rather go look that up than search through the movie again. I'll get back to you on that point.

HOW will Mothra catch Gyaos in her powder? Gyaos is WAY too fast to be captured by that.

Because:

1) it take the form of a large cloud

2) Gyaos will be chasing Mothra. Period. Thus, Mothra releases powder, Gyaos flies through it.

GKG will not be able to do much to Legion even without the shield and vice versa. Irys in areial combat would trounce GKG easily though.

Bull. GKG could damage Legion just by blasting it.

And you are just going on the assumption that the cutters couldn't be stopped by the shield. It might, it might not (granted). But I am going with it can stop it. If it can be blocked with engineering, I think there would be a good possibility that a world killer would stand a chance at blocking it.

You are putting a lot of faith in the powder. The only one that it would effect is Legion because of how slow she is. And even if it does catch Irys and that is only if she is on the ground, I am not so sure that it will stop the Sonic Cuttera from getting through since it is just sound after all. Not to mention when the powder is used Mothra just floats there and is an easy target. Wait, it might not effect Legion for long either. She can dig underground.

*tsktsktsk*

Not reading the whole thing. The powder also causes a form of paralysis. That would stop Irys. Legion would probably be unaffected by the paralysis (being a silicon-based lifeform), but the beam bender would still affect her. And with Mothra being able to directly control the beams, I would say that it WOULD bend the sonic cutter.

And Legion can dig, but would good would that really do her? She'd get out from the cloud, but since the could envelops Mothra, she would still bend the beam.

Mothra just FLOATS there and it isnt guarenteed that the Sonic Beams are reflectable. SO there probably won't be any damage except to Mothra.

If Mothra can control beams when they are in the cloud, I would say that the Sonic Beams would also be bended.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Gorjirus

But if the meltdown had that much heat, which easily took multiple beams, then why did nothing else melt?

Good question. But here is one for you then. What caused it to melt? It is designed to take in radioactivity but yet a bunch of particals melted it? If you say what I think you are going to say I have a good reply for it.

And do not forget that the unprotected mech STILL took multiple shots of the spiral beam before finally being taken out completly.

Meh. I don't think even the Spiral Beam is on par with the EM Beam.

So, if GKG can easily take out Gyaos, and Gyaos can easily take out those two, don't you think that Gyaos would concentrate on what is attacking it, namely GKG?

That depends if Irys isn't after GKG.

If Irys isn't being taken on by GKG at that point. And remember that SMG still has the paralysis missles, which were effective. And Garuda is also attached.

Oh please. Garuda's beams are minor annoyances at best. And those missiles will not effect Legion for sure. They won't hit Gyaos either. Only Irys... and that will be VERY minimal.

1) it take the form of a large cloud

A cloud that goes... down.

2) Gyaos will be chasing Mothra. Period. Thus, Mothra releases powder, Gyaos flies through it.

LOL! When did Mothra ever display that? Did she suddenly become an adept flier? But that last part is right. Gyaos WILL fly through it if it happens.

Bull. GKG could damage Legion just by blasting it.

No damage will be done to her shell at all. What? Is he going to blast off those now worthless appendages on her head? Whoopity do.

And you are just going on the assumption that the cutters couldn't be stopped by the shield. It might, it might not (granted). But I am going with it can stop it. If it can be blocked with engineering, I think there would be a good possibility that a world killer would stand a chance at blocking it.

That is speculation on both parts. But remember GKG can, obviously, still hear inside the shield. So the sound attacks can still probably get through the shield. And even if not Irys can just use her infinitly better mobility to impale GKG and suck him dry.

Not reading the whole thing. The powder also causes a form of paralysis.

O RLY? Why do you say that? Because it caught a slow moving, stand there and fire beams Godzilla?

That would stop Irys. Legion would probably be unaffected by the paralysis (being a silicon-based lifeform), but the beam bender would still affect her.

Irys isn't Heisei Goji. Irys is fast as all hell. She could possibly fly through the cloud. And Legion isn't stupid. Once she realizes that the beam refelects because of the powder she will burrow out of there. And she digs extreamly fast.

And with Mothra being able to directly control the beams, I would say that it WOULD bend the sonic cutter.

.....HOW can you bend sound?

And you still are giving Mothra a lot of credit for being a live long enough to USE the powder. It took her forever before she used it on Goji. Now she is fighting two fast kaiju and one juggernaught that is even nastier than Goji. She will be long dead before the powder comes into play.

[Gorjirus]

Good question. But here is one for you then. What caused it to melt? It is designed to take in radioactivity but yet a bunch of particals melted it? If you say what I think you are going to say I have a good reply for it.

Before I come back and seriously try to answer that question, I want to find out what you want me to say so I can hear your reply.

I am always a big fan of a set-up in a debate.

Meh. I don't think even the Spiral Beam is on par with the EM Beam.

But surely you can see this logic:

The weaker metal took the much stronger Spiral Beam. Thus, the stronger armor would be able to take a stronger beam.

Oh please. Garuda's beams are minor annoyances at best. And those missiles will not effect Legion for sure. They won't hit Gyaos either. Only Irys... and that will be VERY minimal.

I know the missles wouldn't get Legion, but they would work on Irys. Why would they be "very minimal"?

A cloud that goes... down.

When Mothra is still. If Mothra is flying, it would go out behind her. And the could always envelops Mothra.

LOL! When did Mothra ever display that? Did she suddenly become an adept flier? But that last part is right. Gyaos WILL fly through it if it happens.

Do you realize how stupid you almost just sounded?

If Gyaos isn't chasing Mothra, then Mothra must be chasing Gyaos. And I know that it won't be the latter.

And once Gyaos goes through it, it will start to cause paralysis.

No damage will be done to her shell at all. What? Is he going to blast off those now worthless appendages on her head? Whoopity do.

And why would it cause no damage at all? Hmm? You haven't explained that in the least. I know it took the mana beam to blow Legion to bits, but you don't have to have that just to damage her.

And even if not Irys can just use her infinitly better mobility to impale GKG and suck him dry.

Better on the ground, or in the air? Because I doubt she could even stab and suck in the air.

And wans't it YOU spouting GKG great agility in the DD?

RLY? Why do you say that? Because it caught a slow moving, stand there and fire beams Godzilla?

RLY. Becuase you watch it happen. Did you not read ANY of those matches in the DD? You can watch it cause a form of paralysis. That's why Godzilla suddenly could barely move. You want me to get EM to come in here and explain it?

Irys isn't Heisei Goji. Irys is fast as all hell. She could possibly fly through the cloud. And Legion isn't stupid. Once she realizes that the beam refelects because of the powder she will burrow out of there. And she digs extreamly fast.

Why do you keep bring up going through the cloud? What good would that do? You would still become covered in the powder.

And again, even if Legion does bury to get away, to hit Mothra, it would still go through the cloud.

.....HOW can you bend sound?

And you still are giving Mothra a lot of credit for being a live long enough to USE the powder. It took her forever before she used it on Goji. Now she is fighting two fast kaiju and one juggernaught that is even nastier than Goji. She will be long dead before the powder comes into play.

Because saying "beam bender" sounds better than "beam reflector".

Would you rather me call it "beam bouncer"?

Because Gyaos would be defeated easily enough by GKG, and faster than Irys would beat Mothra and Battra. And you are going by Irys will suddenly spend the entire fight in the air. When did she ever do that? When she had to GO somewhere. She's not going anywhere here, and I would bet that she would spend most of the fight in the air. Otherwise, she would have taken to the air against Gamera.

But what would Legion do against Mothra? Not much. Especially when SMg is fighting it. Mothra could easily survive Gyaos as GKG kills it. GKG could probably do it while keeping Irys at bay.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Gorjirus

Before I come back and seriously try to answer that question, I want to find out what you want me to say so I can hear your reply.

I am always a big fan of a set-up in a debate.

You can try to think of it... You can try.

But surely you can see this logic:
The weaker metal took the much stronger Spiral Beam. Thus, the stronger armor would be able to take a stronger beam.

Thats fine. But it doesn't mean that SMG is going to take a hit like that and come out fine. Maybe it won't blow him to peices but it can damage the armor or overload the PG.

I know the missles wouldn't get Legion, but they would work on Irys. Why would they be "very minimal"?

Because they really didn't have much effect on Goji who was already slow enough. And he was still worn out from all those beam barrages that SMG shot at him which also wore him down. That helped the missiles take better effect. I don't think it will work as well on a healthy Irys.

When Mothra is still. If Mothra is flying, it would go out behind her. And the could always envelops Mothra.

Since when has she ever done that?

And once Gyaos goes through it, it will start to cause paralysis.

Meh. Maybe. But that is unless Mothra isn't cut to ribbons before the powder is even used. That is what you are forgetting. Mothra and Battra dodge like a brick. Eitehr Gyaos OR Irys can take them out rather easily in the air.

And why would it cause no damage at all? Hmm? You haven't explained that in the least. I know it took the mana beam to blow Legion to bits, but you don't have to have that just to damage her.

Because even though it took the Mana Beam to obliterate Legion she was not overwhelmed for quite a bit of time. So if the Mana Beam can be fended off from her outershell for a bit, I am more than sure it can take GKG's beams for even longer.

Better on the ground, or in the air? Because I doubt she could even stab and suck in the air.

Why not?

And wans't it YOU spouting GKG great agility in the DD?

Yes I was. And he has great agility and manuverability. but compared to Irys and Gyaos he is a stump.

Why do you keep bring up going through the cloud? What good would that do? You would still become covered in the powder.

Depends on how fast they are going. If you go fast enough I am more than sure that the pollen will come off.

Because saying "beam bender" sounds better than "beam reflector".

Would you rather me call it "beam bouncer"?

It still doesn't change the fact that you really cannot refelct sound unless the pollen prevents sound from escaping which obviously isn't the case. And if the Nuke Pulse can go through, it shouldn't be hard to believe that the Sonic Cutter can't.

Because Gyaos would be defeated easily enough by GKG, and faster than Irys would beat Mothra and Battra.

Not really. Irys is an even better flier than Gyaos and has more beams to use on foes. Mothra and Battra would be dead the same time Gyaos would fall.

And you are going by Irys will suddenly spend the entire fight in the air. When did she ever do that? When she had to GO somewhere. She's not going anywhere here, and I would bet that she would spend most of the fight in the air. Otherwise, she would have taken to the air against Gamera.

Gamera like fighting on the ground. Now lets look at the opponets in this fight. Battra, Mothra, and GKG all like to fight in the air. So for Irys to attack effectivly, where is she going to go? The air.

But what would Legion do against Mothra? Not much. Especially when SMg is fighting it. Mothra could easily survive Gyaos as GKG kills it. GKG could probably do it while keeping Irys at bay.

Mothra would be dead by either Gyaos or Irys so it won't matter. GKG will have to use his full attention on Irys to be effective. On Gyaos he also has to be very careful so he isn't shot down by the Sonic Cutter. He can't take on two kaiju like those on at the same time. He will have a hard enough trouble even keeping track of one. That would mean the other is free to easily take down Mothra.

[Gorjirus]

You can try to think of it... You can try.

So...what? You don't want me to think and say what you want me to say so you can say what you want to say that I want you to say?

Thats fine. But it doesn't mean that SMG is going to take a hit like that and come out fine. Maybe it won't blow him to peices but it can damage the armor or overload the PG.

Why would it blow him to bits? the explosion comes from heating. I don't get how you just automatically think that it won't be absorbed. I couldn't find the quote from the DD tournament, so I will have to pull out the movie later today.

Because they really didn't have much effect on Goji who was already slow enough. And he was still worn out from all those beam barrages that SMG shot at him which also wore him down. That helped the missiles take better effect. I don't think it will work as well on a healthy Irys.

I'll check that too.

Since when has she ever done that?

What? Done the scales while flying?

Meh. Maybe. But that is unless Mothra isn't cut to ribbons before the powder is even used. That is what you are forgetting. Mothra and Battra dodge like a brick. Eitehr Gyaos OR Irys can take them out rather easily in the air

Gyaos yes, but it depends on who he attacks first, and since when did Irys take to the air?

Because even though it took the Mana Beam to obliterate Legion she was not overwhelmed for quite a bit of time. So if the Mana Beam can be fended off from her outershell for a bit, I am more than sure it can take GKG's beams for even longer.

And it took that long for the shell to become obliterated, not just damaged. How is it that hard to understand?The beams can damage her, and not blow holes through her.

Why not?

1) The awkwardness of forcing your arm into something like that that is also flying

2) The fact that GKG could do a number of things to mess Irys up while doing that (move, slow down, become dead weight, etc)

Yes I was. And he has great agility and manuverability. but compared to Irys and Gyaos he is a stump.

That isn't infinite.

Depends on how fast they are going. If you go fast enough I am more than sure that the pollen will come off.

Scales.

And it sticks to you. You go through it, it covers you. It just does.

It still doesn't change the fact that you really cannot refelct sound unless the pollen prevents sound from escaping which obviously isn't the case. And if the Nuke Pulse can go through, it shouldn't be hard to believe that the Sonic Cutter can't.

Scales.

Oh, and bull on you can't reflect sound. Echo.

Not really. Irys is an even better flier than Gyaos and has more beams to use on foes. Mothra and Battra would be dead the same time Gyaos would fall.

And how does she use her beams while in the air? At close range. Could she follow both of them at the same time? No.

Gamera like fighting on the ground. Now lets look at the opponets in this fight. Battra, Mothra, and GKG all like to fight in the air. So for Irys to attack effectivly, where is she going to go? The air.

It doesn't matter where your opponent likes to fight. It matters where YOU want to fight. If Irys wanted to attack effectively, she would have fought Gamera in the air at all times. And she didn't.

As Cole likes to say, Irys is a dunce.

Mothra would be dead by either Gyaos or Irys so it won't matter. GKG will have to use his full attention on Irys to be effective. On Gyaos he also has to be very careful so he isn't shot down by the Sonic Cutter. He can't take on two kaiju like those on at the same time. He will have a hard enough trouble even keeping track of one. That would mean the other is free to easily take down Mothra.

I still say that the shield would provide some protection from Gyaos' beam. And I do think that GKG could take care of Gyaos REALLY fast. About as fast as you think Gyaos could take out Battra and Mothra (and I think it would take him longer).