01. Burning Godzilla vs. Grand King Ghidorah

[Godzilla]

I think you guys are overestimating the cold of Antartica. It has already been pointed out that Burning Godzilla swims in the cold deep of the sea, which would most likely be below the point where the sun's rays reach. Godzilla does this when he is not in burning mode. And as soon as he got out of the water that surounded him, helped absorb the heat eminating from his body, and helped keep him at a low body temparature (for BG) his heat started jumping up until BOOM!

Here is the point, in Antartica the sun still shines. Air changes temperature faster than water. When Goji starts fighting, then he may have minor lag, but in maybe a minute the air will heat up around him and it will be negligable. If he happens to ice below him, then that means he could swim in the water and shoot at GKG from there (This is a very doubtful situation, although the ground might crack and he could fall in or something). The cold really won't make enough of a difference to turn this into GKG's favor. Whether or not he will still win is what I will decide upon momentarily.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

But whichever of those scenarios you advocate, it still comes down to Captain Gordon deciding the match.

Which is why this match is the opitomy of badass.

Sorry, sweetheart.

[MirrenDono]

That's not even close to the way you spell "epitome".

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by MirrenDono

That's not even close to the way you spell "epitome".

Heh. Hilarious. I hope he did that on purpose or he wasn't trying to spell epitome.

[Tokyo VigilanteX]

is this a DD debate or hooked on phonics?

[Zardac the Great]

Originally Posted by Darkside Reject

is this a DD debate or hooked on phonics?

Night of Bad Physics.

Anartica doesn't get anywhere what would be necessary to stop or even impede this reaction. Cadnium would. The Ice Desert does not.

[Gorjirus]

I think it should be hooked on ebonics.

[MirrenDono]

Word, dawg.

...that's close enough, right?

[EternalMothra]

Originally Posted by BS Digital Q

He's right. Without beams, Leo would be mauled by just about any decently sized canine. I should know, we have dogs in *spades,* and nothing in ROM3 indicates that Leo would stand a chance physically.

Mothra was kicking CKG's *** for awhile in the Cretaceous period physically, do not tell me you don't remember that.

[yargh]

Mothra was kicking CKG's *** for awhile in the Cretaceous period physically

I'm not sure by what stretch of the words I can use to say that Mothra using her chicken feet to scratch CKG's face is an amazing physical thing.

It actually shows that CKG's skin is pretty weak to physical attacks.

[EternalMothra]

Originally Posted by yargh

I'm not sure by what stretch of the words I can use to say that Mothra using her chicken feet to scratch CKG's face is an amazing physical thing.

It actually shows that CKG's skin is pretty weak to physical attacks.

Not only that, but it shows that Mothra is not afraid to go hth, at least that one was. NOW tell me, how often have we seen a Mothra who could do that?

[yargh]

GFW Mothra did it ten times better. Tokyo SOS Mothra dragged Godzilla through part of a city. Scratching somebody with chicken feet is not impressive. Mothra should have stayed back and beamed CKG, but was reckless/was tactically stupid and closed with CKG.

[anguirus55]

I think you guys are overestimating the cold of Antartica. It has already been pointed out that Burning Godzilla swims in the cold deep of the sea, which would most likely be below the point where the sun's rays reach.

Forgive me for landing on this with both feet, but I actually learned something relevant in kollij that I can share.

The ocean doesn't get colder than 4 degrees Celsius.

Like, ever.

Not only is the ambient temperature of Antarctica often colder than that, but the presence of a turbulent atmosphere (i.e. wind) is great at sucking heat away (as in, wind-chill factor). It will never bring an object lower than the ambient temperature, but it will get it to the ambient temperature a lot more quickly. For this reason, our moon landers would be frozen and useless in Antarctic conditions, although they stood up to lower ambient temperatures during space travel.

But while Antarctica is a terrible place for Godzillas to fight, this Godzilla is freaking nuts, and it took the incredibly potent "freezer missiles" to knock him down for a couple hours. He won't get this cold here without the Gotengo getting involved, and considering what Gotengo did to Manda that is an insta-own victory anyway. Even if it merely slows Godzilla down, King Ghidorah crushes Gotengo and the injured Godzilla and pursues his world-domination and child-molesting plans unabated.

[BS Digital Q]

Originally Posted by EternalMothra

Mothra was kicking CKG's *** for awhile in the Cretaceous period physically, do not tell me you don't remember that.

Who are you ****ing kidding EM? I DO NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, call what she was doing with those chicken feet "kicking CKG's ***." And against a dog, that is the worst possible thing she could so; the instant she closes in, her head is an automatic target for getting shredded to gooey pulp.

Oh yeah, and lets not forget that it was her going into HTH that nearly cost her the fight in the first place.

So please, don't call this particular moth a decent tooth/claw fighter when there are other Mothras that can do a heck of a lot more with the relatively limited melee potential inherent to their physiology.

[Darth Reaper]

Another example of a Godzilla being adversly affected by cold is in GFW. At the beginning of the film they bury Godzilla in ice and he's trapped. Surely this Godzilla above most others could get himself out of even that unless he was being weakened by the cold. In fact, it seems to go into some kind of dormant state until he's freed.

Still, this is Burning Godzilla, a nuclear meltdown on two legs, so this doesn't really apply. I'm just offering evidence that at least some Godzillas can be affected negatively by cold.

No, what really makes this battlefield interesting is the presence of the Gotengo. It's essentially up to them who wins. Because whoever they shoot at first with the freezing ray--especially with the ambient temperature--loses.- anguirus55

I don't know about that.

A. I don't know how either of these guys compare to GFW Manda. What killed him might only cause them some discomfort. That might be stretching it, but the point still stands.

B. Concidering that Burning Godzilla is going through a meltdown, I think he could survive that cold beam. It might freeze him solid for awhile but I don't know that it will stop him permanently.

This makes me curious. Say the Gotengo is able to freeze Godzilla in place; what would happen if GKG decided to keep attacking Godzilla? Would it cause him to thaw out more quickly and continue the fight, or could it actually do some harm to him?

C. Since it is a beam, the Gotengo's cold beam could still be deflected by GKG's scales. It's still some kind of beam of energy, so GKG's defences could provide him with protection.

[Godzilla Ghidorah]

BG is going to smash Grand Ghidorah because burning godzilla's beams are stronger each second and he still has the power of hesei godzilla in hth

[anguirus55]

A. I don't know how either of these guys compare to GFW Manda. What killed him might only cause them some discomfort. That might be stretching it, but the point still stands.

The beam didn't merely kill Manda, it froze solid every cell in his body.

B. Concidering that Burning Godzilla is going through a meltdown, I think he could survive that cold beam. It might freeze him solid for awhile but I don't know that it will stop him permanently.

This makes me curious. Say the Gotengo is able to freeze Godzilla in place; what would happen if GKG decided to keep attacking Godzilla? Would it cause him to thaw out more quickly and continue the fight, or could it actually do some harm to him?

The Super X-3 put him out of action for hours. Even being conservative, a direct hit of that beam will certainly cause him to cede the advantage...and probably his life...to King Ghidorah. As overrated as I think he is, it's not like King Ghidorah ISN'T a threat.

C. Since it is a beam, the Gotengo's cold beam could still be deflected by GKG's scales. It's still some kind of beam of energy, so GKG's defences could provide him with protection.

Possibly, but as we've seen, his shield isn't infallible. It is a possible point in his favor though.

[Gorjirus]

The ocean doesn't get colder than 4 degrees Celsius.

Like, ever.

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/lin....html&edu=high

[anguirus55]

Ok, polar seas might get six whole degrees colder. I apologize to everyone for my vast error. :P Blame my Marine Biology textbook, assuming that the Internet is more right than it.

Regardless, you can go to the bottom of the Marianas Trench and it's not going to be subzero.

[Orga777]

Whoa now. What is this bull **** that Mothra Leo can't take s hit? You guys HAVE seem the beam machines she faced right? Granted, CKG's horribly weak attacks were damaging, BUT lets look at what happened to her before thatt. She got totally decimated by Grand King Ghidorah which definitly hinders her armor since it was so damaged after that fight, and then she spent nearly all her energy to go back in time. If she couldn't take a hit she would have been DESTROYED by the volcanic eruption that hit her. Not only that, but Death Ghidorah's and Dagrah's weaponry (except the Berum of Dag's) did absolutly NOTHING to her. She was never damaged by their beam attacks. So enough of that myth please.

That is a testiment to Grand Ghidroah's bolts. Since no other kaiju has ever been able to do that to a healthy adult Leo.

[BS Digital Q]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Whoa now. What is this bull **** that Mothra Leo can't take s hit? You guys HAVE seem the beam machines she faced right? Granted, CKG's horribly weak attacks were damaging, BUT lets look at what happened to her before thatt. She got totally decimated by Grand King Ghidorah which definitly hinders her armor since it was so damaged after that fight, and then she spent nearly all her energy to go back in time. If she couldn't take a hit she would have been DESTROYED by the volcanic eruption that hit her. Not only that, but Death Ghidorah's and Dagrah's weaponry (except the Berum of Dag's) did absolutly NOTHING to her. She was never damaged by their beam attacks. So enough of that myth please.

That is a testiment to Grand Ghidroah's bolts. Since no other kaiju has ever been able to do that to a healthy adult Leo.

Vanessa, your points are all irrelevent because beams have nothing to do with what was being discussed. In a beamless, HTH fight with a comparitively scaled dog hell bent on her, Mothra would be utterly creamed. 'nuff said.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by BS Digital Q

Vanessa, your points are all irrelevent because beams have nothing to do with what was being discussed. In a beamless, HTH fight with a comparitively scaled dog hell bent on her, Mothra would be utterly creamed. 'nuff said.

Oh... well, yeah, I agree with that.
But what does THAT have to do with this fight?

[Cole Deschain]

Actually, Gotengo MAY be a factor here.

IF it fires on Goji.... how was it that it killed Manda again?

Yep, that's right.

A the VERY least it'll drop hs temperature so low that he'll be at a mere fraction of his power.


So, while in a scrap, I could see this seesawing until Goji's power went through the roof and he exploded.....

I favor Ghidorah.

By a hair.

[BS Digital Q]

Oh... well, yeah, I agree with that.
But what does THAT have to do with this fight?

Nothing, technically. Bio simply said that his dog could tear Leo a new one, and EM vehemently disagreed as usual.

Originally Posted by Biochemitra

Donny, my lapdog could throw Leo around with ease. In case it weren't immediately apparent, Leo is NOT a particularly large or heavy creature.

Originally Posted by Eternal Mothra

The lapdog things is a tad of an exagguration though.

Originally Posted by Biochemitra

Nope. Take away the beams, and Priscilla would SHRED Leo.

Originally Posted by Eternal Mothra

Wow someone really needs to go back and RE-WATCH ROM 3 don't they?

Originally Posted by Me

He's right. Without beams, Leo would be mauled by just about any decently sized canine. I should know, we have dogs in *spades,* and nothing in ROM3 indicates that Leo would stand a chance physically.

Originally Posted by Eternal Mothra

Mothra was kicking CKG's *** for awhile in the Cretaceous period physically, do not tell me you don't remember that.

And ect.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by BS Digital Q

Nothing, technically. Bio simply said that his dog could tear Leo a new one, and EM vehemently disagreed as usual.
And ect.

...Wow.... I am at a loss for words...
Bur she DID lift up CKG, who weighed more than her rather easily. And she DID knock a 100 meter and extreamly heavy Death Ghidroah out of the air easily too... I think she could take a dog... Great.. now I am doing it. Lets drop this for the sake of sanity...<.<