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January 23rd, 2008, 05:32 PM
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Something for military buffs like me...
Can anyone say "Wargames?" That was a movie I saw when I was young, made only about three years before I popped out, which dealt with a hacker getting involved with mechanized defense systems from the United States and the Soviet Union. Here's a really chilling thought...
Any terrorist with an anti-Israeli bent that has sufficient computer skills could hijack this and either turn it against Israel or start a general Middle Eastern War....
God help us if that happens...
Story and link below:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/0...-thinking.html
Israel has been hit in recent years by thousands and thousands of rockets, mortar shells, and missiles. And that could be just a preview of the onslaught Iran may one day unleash. So Israeli military leaders have begun early planning for a new, robotic defense system, armed with enough artificial intelligence that it "could take over completely" from flesh-and-blood operators. "It will be designed for... autonomous operations,' Brig. Gen. Daniel Milo, commander of Israel's air defense forces, tells Defense News' Barbara Opall-Rome. And in the event of a "doomsday" strike, Opall-Rome notes, the system could handle "attacks that exceed physiological limits of human command." How do you say "Skynet" in Hebrew, again?
Israel already uses a blend of Arrow and Patriot interceptors to handle incoming rockets and missiles. This new command-and-control program would be "superimposed over all those defenses" -- and over new ones to come.
Experts here described the as-yet-unnamed system as a kind of supremely oriented, highly intuitive virtual coach-cum-battle manager whose primary mission would support system operators and commanders during engagements. As such, the super system would help Israeli air defenders pick the optimum timing, sequence and targets for specific interceptors.
Air defense systems today often take a great deal of the work away from the troops who supposedly run them. The machines automatically slew to their targets, lock on... and then await instructions from flesh-and-blood.
At least they do, most of the time. Back in October, however, some sort of glitch allowed a South African air defense cannon to spin out of control -- killing 9, and wounding 14.
In "extreme scenarios, where the number of incoming weapons could overwhelm today’s [air defense] systems and their human operators, [Israel's] envisioned super system could take over completely," Opall-Rome writes.
“It will be designed for man-in-the-loop as well as autonomous operations,” said Milo, the officer spearheading the vision within Israel’s user community. “But right now, our emphasis is on algorithms, not autonomy. Man-machine interface is the name of the game, because the more clever we make the interface, the more successful we’ll be in providing operators and commanders the situational awareness they’ll need to make very tough decisions...”
“Our approach cannot be based exclusively on man-in-the-loop, nor can it rely only on the opposite. Rather, we need to build an operational concept and a system that is flexible and situationally dependent,” Milo said.
In the future, and “under very complex scenarios,” Milo said, the envisioned super system would be able to generate a level of supreme situational awareness and snap intuitive capabilities that could surpass the very best wartime commanders.
“We’re talking about something that sees everything and calculates everything and makes decisions that can only be made through a real revolution in BMC4ISR [Battle Management/Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance],” he said. “We’re not there yet, and it could take a decade. But this is our vision and we’re running in that direction.”
UPDATE: As if on cue...Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, Israel's arms development firm, unveiled plans for a new missile system Tuesday designed to intercept mid to long-range rockets and missiles of the kind used by Hezbollah during the Second Lebanon War.
The firm introduced the "Stunner" missile during a visit from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister's Office said.
Jointly developed by Rafael and the U.S. defense contractor Raytheon as a counter to medium-range missiles and rockets, Stunner is likely to become operational in four years. It will be incorporated into the new Magic Wand anti-missile system.
Because of the advanced technologies involved, the estimated cost of each individual missile is the relatively high sum of several hundred thousand dollars.
A defense source said Tuesday that the missile is meant to serve as the interceptor element of a defensive system called Magic Wand. The system is meant to provide a defense against missiles and rockets whose range is between 40 and 250 kilometers, like Hezbollah's Zilzal and Fajr missiles.
The first layer of this defensive structure will include Iron Dome, which Rafael is developing against Qassam and Katyusha rockets. That system's intercepting missile is dubbed Tamir.
Magic Wand and Iron Dome will complement the Arrow missile defense system, which intercepts long-range missiles and is already operational.
No word on thinking machines, though.
Something else this does is alter the Israeli advantage over the Arabs even further, to the point that anyone willing to take on Israel would have to be suicidal.
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January 31st, 2008, 12:51 AM
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Re: Something for military buffs like me...
Hmm...
Okay, I'm not going to pretend I know what most of that means, but I will say I love the movie Wargames, and have it on DVD.
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July 14th, 2008, 03:59 PM
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Navy tests prototype Railgun
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July 14th, 2008, 04:04 PM
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Re: Navy tests prototype Railgun
Well damn... That is nasty... next thing you know they will have bi-pedal walking tanks to put that thing on... Or maybe I am playing too much MGS...<.<
It seems all this Science Fiction meets real world stuff is getting more outrageous everyday...
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July 14th, 2008, 04:12 PM
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Re: Navy tests prototype Railgun
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Originally Posted by Orga777
It seems all this Science Fiction meets real world stuff is getting more outrageous everyday...
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Just a while back they figured out how to make tanks invisible...
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July 14th, 2008, 04:26 PM
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Re: Navy tests prototype Railgun
Airplanes also, don't forget!
We may not have "ray guns" but laser guidance is used in many applications. I guess they haven't figured how to set a phaser on just STUN and don't want to hear the anti-gun nuts howling. I'd think a laser would be a lot less messy than conventional weapons with its cauterizing effect. 
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July 14th, 2008, 05:15 PM
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Re: Navy tests prototype Railgun
Dang.... if this keeps up we'll accidentally test some form of bomb and create a giant monster that'll attack Tokyo......
What? 
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