1. Four Way Battle Royal Finale

[Orga777]

Because this tournament has dragged on long enough, got hardly any votes, and is dieing, I decided to end this thing faster with a four way duel!

Irys
vs.
GMK Godzilla
vs.
G2K Godzilla
vs.
Showa Mothra

Battlefield: Hell - Satan is here pitchforking the a-holes that didn't vote in the SSS.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Motrha dies.

Which leaves G2k Goji, GMK Goji, and Irys. I could see each one winning this battle based on their abilities, but I'm going with GMK Godzilla, because I feel like he wastes the least amount of time with his enemies. G2k? Meh, would rather stare at his foe or go into melee battle. Irys? As devestating as his appendages could be, Godzilla's got not reason to get in close - his beam of death wins the battle.

Winner: GMK Godzilla

Battlefield: Hell - Satan is here pitchforking the a-holes that didn't vote in the SSS.

ROFL! That was classic...

[Burkion]

This is the battle of the LAZIEST *******S OF KAIJUDOM.

For what SHOULD be an exciting action packed battle royal....shall be G2K and Irys staring at each other dumbly while GMK Goji rapes and burns Showa Mothra.

Then he might take a nap

After his nap, a few hours later, he will awaken to the CLIMATIC STRUGGLE OF....Irys and G2K Godzilla....staring at one another.

He, at this point, hits Irys in the back with his beam and gets to kicking ***.

[Orga777]

lol.... Anyway, yes, Mothra is dead no matter what here, leaving the three powerhouses on the field. G2K Godzilla is tough and has some good regen, but he is probably the weakest link here. His beam is not as explosive as GMK Godzilla's and his endurance is not quite on the level of GMK Godzilla either. Irys would also screw him up with her abilities, so it is likely that G2K Godzilla would fall right after Mothra, leaving a very interesting battle between Irys and GMK Godzilla. Sneaking up on GMK Godzilla is pretty much impossible, so he has an edge there on Irys, but Irys' spear arms and Sonic Cutters are a danger to GMK Godzilla. But GMK Godzilla's beam is nasty. They could blast the tentacles apart. They may be able to deflect Gamera's Plasma Blasts, but Goji's beam is continuous stream of powerful energy that has A LOT more force than Gamera's Plasma Balls (which don't even knock back Gyaos that much.) Irys would last a while, but GMK Godzilla's beam, reflexes, and strength may give him the edge he needs to over come Irys' attacks if he takes her dopwn quick enough.

Winner: GMK Godzilla

[SpaceHunterM]

Really? Mr. Poke me in da neck I go boom has a advantage vs. Irys? One well placed sonic cutter beam and the unholy one is done. Hell since G2k likes going pointlessly into melee and GMK would most likely see Mothra as his favorite target we might end up with a Irys spewing G2K level beams by the time the two get together.


Winner: Irys

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by SpaceHunterM

Really? Mr. Poke me in da neck I go boom has a advantage vs. Irys? One well placed sonic cutter beam and the unholy one is done. Hell since G2k likes going pointlessly into melee and GMK would most likely see Mothra as his favorite target we might end up with a Irys spewing G2K level beams by the time the two get together.


Winner: Irys

The problem is that Irys doesn't use the Sonic Cutters enough. She never once used them on Gamera while on the ground. And it would not take GMK Godzilla long to frag Mothra. So no problems there. Unlike Showa Godzilla, GMK Godzilla knows how to aim. And even if Irys beats down G2K Godzilla (which she will) she will not come out of it unharmed. That gives GMK Goji an even better shot at taking down Irys who really is slow to react some times.

[yargh]

The problem is that Irys doesn't use the Sonic Cutters enough. She never once used them on Gamera while on the ground. And it would not take GMK Godzilla long to frag Mothra. So no problems there. Unlike Showa Godzilla, GMK Godzilla knows how to aim. And even if Irys beats down G2K Godzilla (which she will) she will not come out of it unharmed. That gives GMK Goji an even better shot at taking down Irys who really is slow to react some times.

Sonic cutters are irrelevant here. The spear arms would be more than enough to impale this Goji-regardless of his thick skin. Although GMK would frag Mothra with little effort, he'll be occupied for a while. He went into melee with Mothra first, rather than use his beam. He does that with this Mothra, and he'll be knocked down quickly. Although Mothra won't be able to actually harm him, GMK Goji will be occupied until he fires his beam, which, knowing his propensity to engage in melee and use his beam as a finisher (see Baragon), will leave Irys enough time to beat down G2K Godzilla.

There is a good chance Irys will have enough time to absorb Godzilla's beam, as the first thing this Godzilla does is go into melee. Against Stabby-McDagger-Arms? Yeah, Godzilla goes down.


When GMK Goji and Irys clash, it'll be a good fight. However, GMK's beam is being overrated here, I think. It'll hurt Irys, but the dude withstood Gamera's flaming pinwheel buzzsaw, so he can take a shot of Godzilla's beam and come out still fighting. In addition, this Godzilla likes melee. He rushes in, and gets utterly pwnd by the far stronger and pointier Irys. Then, it's just a repeat of G3 when Gamera got stabbed by Irys. If Godzilla tries using his beam then, I feel a massive gaping wound throughout his body will inhibit his ability to fire more than a small neck wound.

[Seer235]

You know what Orga? Screw you. I promise you I will have my revenge for this. I promise.

Making me go back through GMK to get examples of GMK fighting other kaiju... *grumble grumble*

Oh, and before I begin....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at G2k's beam not being as explosive as GMK's. Funny man, Orga.


Right! First off, Baragon. The first part of the fight involves Baragon latching onto GMK's arm and GMK flailing about for a bit. (NOTE: Were this Kiryu Goji, Baragon would have been shot with a beam) Lesse, then GMK throws Baragon off, starts to stomp on him, hits him with his tail some, Baragon makes another leap at GMK's head, gets hit by the tail, Baragon tries to run away, Godzilla finally uses his beam, misses once, then vapes Baragon.

Next is Mothra. So, after all the slow-to-act roaring and posturing, Mothra attacks, Godzilla. How does she attack him, you ask? Why, she flies directly into him. How does Godzilla react, you ask? Godzilla stands there, gets hit, and roars. Oh, and scratches himself. I shall now laugh at those who mention that G2k and Irys are slow to act and forget to mention GMK Godzilla. Ha. Ah hahaha.
Mothra then attacks again, at which point--*gasp*--Godzilla, shockingly...does nothing and proceeds to get knocked over by a deadly combination of Mothra's stingers and...Mothra flying by him.
Since apparently taking hits like a chump twice is Godzilla's limit, he finally decides it's time to actually do something and proceeds to, well, fire a beam at Mothra. Which she dodges.
Mothra then latches onto the back of Godzilla's neck and makes him look like a chump once more. Then Ghidorah appears and Mothra, thoroughly bored with this fight, decides to give the triple chicken a go.

Ghidorah time. Ghidorah proceeds to march up to GMK and bite him. GMK does...my god! I'm totally surprised! Nothing! After about a minute of electric bites, Godzilla stumbles back and, like the true might beast he is....falls over.

Clearly the electric jolts and fall have given GMK a concussion, as his brain is so scrambled that he decides to attack for once and he charges Ghidorah with his most menacing waddle. There's some grabbing and some biting, and in further proof that GMK Godzilla clearly is not mentally right, he actually hits Mothra when she tries to come in and help. He tosses Ghidorah away and finally uses his beam. Ghidorah goes down like a piece of paper. Wait, no, he takes about 10 seconds of the beam then finally falls unconscious. For the record, the beam didn't look all too impressive there.

Godzilla, also having realized his beam didn't do enough, goes for another one. Then Mothra, who also seems to have received a concussion, forgoes her successful strategy of beating Godzilla upside the head and takes the beam herself. But don't worry! It looks like the crash into the ground hurt her more than the beam did, cause there sure as hell wasn't an explosion when the beam hit her.

Military comes in, D-03s, blah blah blah, and oh look! Mothra's back! She gets beamed and, uh, shatters. Huh. Still no explosion, though! Goes into Ghidorah, spirit bomb, blah blah blah...

Fight underwater time! For the record, Ghidorah flew into Godzilla, and he...well...I think you know the lack of things he did by now. Ghidorah, clearly with Mothra's spirit inside him, gets on Godzilla's back and makes him look like a chump. The fight continues this way until Godzilla manages to turn his body in time and get a D-03 to hit Ghidorah's neck. Ghidorah falls to the ground, and gets beamed. Ghidorah's down again. Wuss. Godzilla proceeds to forget about him.

At this point we get to the gravity bolts scene, so things are really done. I would, though, like to mention that Godzilla took the prolonged attack and did nothing, including Ghidorah running into him again, until he got supercharged. Yeah, Godzilla made such stellar and active performances in his fights.


And for the record, I was woefully unimpressed by Godzilla's beam. Also I think G2k beats him in endurance.

[Hybrid Gojira]

If it's a free for all, there is no way to really tell who will square off against who. Mothra and GMK Godzilla are usually the most active of the 4 monsters. G2k and Irys kinda stare off into space, as if waiting for something to happen. I'm also not sure why Irys being able to drain G2K Godzilla matters; look at how much that helped Orga...and when Irys was draining Gamera the turtle beast was able to fire off his plasma attack anyway, therefore Irys draining G2K = bad idea and a point blank ray to the face.

Both Godzillas have a beam capable of beating Irys, which is why he will not win this battle. Sure Iry can try to poke holes on GMK Godzilla, and assuming he does and it also manages to puncture and area where the ray comes out, it would make a giant boom, an explosion so big that do so would kill Irys too.

So either way, Irys fails.

[Seer235]

Hybrid, check out my edit and revise your view on GMK Godzilla.

I'll put my stuff on Irys here. I'll skip the flying stuff, despite the face that Irys is plenty active there.

So Irys lands. This is the biggest criticism of Irys, since she lands far away from that girl he's after. Anyways, Gamera attacks with his trademark surprisingly-efficient-for-a-kaiju Plasma ball barrage, which Irys bats away. At this point, I'm already rating Irys as more active than GMK Godzilla since he responded to an attack in a way that isn't "get hit and fall over."

They have a stare down, which, given, probably lasted longer than the one Mothra had with Godzilla, is so much cooler. Plus, Mothra was the first one to attack against Godzilla, so it's still not saying much for him.

Gamera attacks Irys, and like GMK Godzilla, Irys responds by doing nothi--wait, what's that? Irys responds by overwhelming Gamera with brute force, impaling him, then marching him through the city?

On a side note, it seems like Irys either actually landed fairly close to the train station or forced Gamera through the city hella fast, cause right after Gamera's impaled, we see the two right next to the train station. Funny that.

Irys then throws Godzilla through the train station and gets on with his goal. Blah blah blah, fuse with girl...

Hey, Gamera's back up! Irys immediately stabs Gamera's arm to the wall, and in a wonderful case of flipping another kaiju the bird, fires his own plasma balls at him. Unfortunately, Gamera is one of the few kaiju where this is a poor idea.

Irys then takes 3 plasma balls exploding inside her and, like any other kaiju would, dies.


For the record, I vote for Irys

Though someone may be able to convince me that G2k could win.

[Godzilla]

I think Seer has concinved me to vote for Irys. Although my lazy heart lies with GMK Goji.

[Burkion]

G2K COULD win, actually.

Just....he's rather slow witted in most things.

If this was Mr. Kiryu "Oh, Hey, A Fly*BEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAM* Oh, hey, a *BEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM* Oh, look *BEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAM* *BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAM* ......*BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM*" Zilla, then I would give him the nod-stab him all you want, you're gonna get beamed. Often.

[Seer235]

If G2k survives long enough, he'll start nuking everyone with super beams. If he survives that long.

[Raptor]

Taking the easy way out, I let Seer do all the research:

Mothra gets beamed out of the sky by whichever Goji wins the coin toss, leaving 3 pokey contenders.

Difference is, one has pokey SHARP things and the other two aren't that fast.

SSS-V CHAMPION: Irys!

[BS Digital Q]

Orga Orga, you dissapoint me. You could've indulged in the classic tradition of all DDs and called this the "Final Four Finale" instead of "Four-Way Battle Royal Finale." Lame, just lame.

Oh! Right, there's a fight going on, I see some...oh wait, its over.

*MK announcer*

IRYS WINS. FATALITY.

Why? Screw you. If you have to, see Seer's stuff.

[G2KMaster]

I agree, although I am here just to see G3 get good acclaim.

[Battle Master]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Because this tournament has dragged on long enough, got hardly any votes, and is dieing, I decided to end this thing faster with a four way duel!

Battlefield: Hell - Satan is here pitchforking the a-holes that didn't vote in the SSS.

Nice idea!

[SpaceHunterM]

Seer Seer Seer Seer Seer! its aallllll about the guy who decides to actually put effort into these thingsand never about the guy who states the same crap first only without the whole spending time to write a long argument. I'm sick of it of being overlooked due to my severe lack of effort as some people.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Seer235

You know what Orga? Screw you. I promise you I will have my revenge for this. I promise.

Get ready Seer, you will need it when I am done with you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at G2k's beam not being as explosive as GMK's. Funny man, Orga.

Oh it is true Seer.

Right! First off, Baragon. The first part of the fight involves Baragon latching onto GMK's arm and GMK flailing about for a bit. (NOTE: Were this Kiryu Goji, Baragon would have been shot with a beam) Lesse, then GMK throws Baragon off, starts to stomp on him, hits him with his tail some, Baragon makes another leap at GMK's head, gets hit by the tail, Baragon tries to run away, Godzilla finally uses his beam, misses once, then vapes Baragon.

And? This proves... what exactly? That He doesn't always go for a beam shot? That may be true, and he does like to get close, but when he uses his beam, he lets the kaiju know it.

Next is Mothra. So, after all the slow-to-act roaring and posturing, Mothra attacks, Godzilla. How does she attack him, you ask? Why, she flies directly into him. How does Godzilla react, you ask? Godzilla stands there, gets hit, and roars. Oh, and scratches himself. I shall now laugh at those who mention that G2k and Irys are slow to act and forget to mention GMK Godzilla. Ha. Ah hahaha.

Except those two are ALWAYS slow. GMK Godzilla actually has feats of attacks that make him look better. Especially with his quick turns.

Mothra then attacks again, at which point--*gasp*--Godzilla, shockingly...does nothing and proceeds to get knocked over by a deadly combination of Mothra's stingers and...Mothra flying by him.
Since apparently taking hits like a chump twice is Godzilla's limit, he finally decides it's time to actually do something and proceeds to, well, fire a beam at Mothra. Which she dodges.

The Stingers had an adverse affect, nothing more. Was he hindered at all? No... not really... And Mothra dodges because she is damn quick in that film.

Mothra then latches onto the back of Godzilla's neck and makes him look like a chump once more. Then Ghidorah appears and Mothra, thoroughly bored with this fight, decides to give the triple chicken a go.

Because he can't reach behind his back?

Ghidorah time. Ghidorah proceeds to march up to GMK and bite him. GMK does...my god! I'm totally surprised! Nothing! After about a minute of electric bites, Godzilla stumbles back and, like the true might beast he is....falls over.

And this is what now? Yeah he falls over, and do you know what? He gets right back up and pounds the **** out of Ghidorah.

Clearly the electric jolts and fall have given GMK a concussion, as his brain is so scrambled that he decides to attack for once and he charges Ghidorah with his most menacing waddle.

Never said GMK Godzilla wasn't slow speed wise.

There's some grabbing and some biting, and in further proof that GMK Godzilla clearly is not mentally right, he actually hits Mothra when she tries to come in and help. He tosses Ghidorah away and finally uses his beam. Ghidorah goes down like a piece of paper. Wait, no, he takes about 10 seconds of the beam then finally falls unconscious. For the record, the beam didn't look all too impressive there.

The ONLY beam that didn't look impressive and you know it. There is plenty of evidence of the beam causing massive explosions on more than one occasion. Actually, every other occasion...

Godzilla, also having realized his beam didn't do enough, goes for another one. Then Mothra, who also seems to have received a concussion, forgoes her successful strategy of beating Godzilla upside the head and takes the beam herself. But don't worry! It looks like the crash into the ground hurt her more than the beam did, cause there sure as hell wasn't an explosion when the beam hit her.

There was no explosion because Mothra... well, didn't explode. It blasted her away like the bug she is though and was the cause for catching her wing on fire. Does Kiryu get engulfed in a feiry explosion each time Kiryu-Goji's beam smacks him? Nope, but we KNOW that beam is damn explosive too. Sorry, try again.

Fight underwater time! For the record, Ghidorah flew into Godzilla, and he...well...I think you know the lack of things he did by now. Ghidorah, clearly with Mothra's spirit inside him, gets on Godzilla's back and makes him look like a chump. The fight continues this way until Godzilla manages to turn his body in time and get a D-03 to hit Ghidorah's neck. Ghidorah falls to the ground, and gets beamed. Ghidorah's down again. Wuss. Godzilla proceeds to forget about him.

And again, attacking GMK Goji in the back is a good strategy. And the only one in this fight that can do that is Mothra... and she has no way to bring down GMK Godzilla what so ever. Irys and G2K Godzilla are more of in your face style (and G2K Godzilla is pretty pathetic in hth combat in general so he is no real threat either.)

At this point we get to the gravity bolts scene, so things are really done. I would, though, like to mention that Godzilla took the prolonged attack and did nothing, including Ghidorah running into him again, until he got supercharged. Yeah, Godzilla made such stellar and active performances in his fights.

He did nothing because he was ABSORBING THE BEAMS! Why the hell would he even BOTHER to do anything there when all it was doing was make him more powerful? It was like free food to him.

And for the record, I was woefully unimpressed by Godzilla's beam. Also I think G2k beats him in endurance.

Right... because G2K Godzilla getting knocked out for nearly two minutes by a BUILDING is good endurance. GMK Godzilla ALWAYS gets back up. He is NEVER down for more than a few seconds at any given time. Baragon makes him fall in a pit? He gets up in seconds. Mothra's stingers cause him to stumble? Didn't take long to recover... only seconds. Ghidroah's Shock Bites make him fall over? Back up right away. G2K Godzilla, sadly, has not shown the same feats.

And you had two unimpressive beams at best (Mothra and the first Ghidorah beam.) Then you got the Baragon beam that caused an explosion ON ROCK that was huge before Baragon shattered. You have him demolishing entire BLOCKS in huge *** explosions when crushing the military on the ground, and that one **** that Goji's beam punched right through had a fairly big exlposion as well. The ship was only still intact because the beam went right through the damn top and kept going preventing a full on explosion as it would have happened if it was head on. And if anything, that just increases the defenses of Ghidorah and Mothra for even SURVIVING the beams at all and just go to show how resiliant their bodies actually are instead of the weak paper that people lable them as.

EDIT: Oh, and if you want to talk about slow to attack, HOW long were Irys and Gamera practically hugging in their fight before Irys decided to get the brilliant idea to stab him? Quite a bit actually... so don't try to throw GMK Goji in the slow to attack department, because Irys has it worse. GMK Godzilla always counter attacks, and if Irys wants to start out hugging GMK Goji, he is going to get tossed away and blasted.

[Seer235]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Get ready Seer, you will need it when I am done with you.

Cute.

And? This proves... what exactly? That He doesn't always go for a beam shot? That may be true, and he does like to get close, but when he uses his beam, he lets the kaiju know it.

Yes, like those two piddly beams he hit Ghidorah with and that piddly beam he hit Mothra with. Those'll kill Irys and G2k.

Yes yes, disagreement on strength of beams when hitting kaiju. I know we saw explosions otherwise, the rocks below Baragon being the best example. I just couldn't find the beams he hit Mothra and Ghidorah with to be especially impressive.

Except those two are ALWAYS slow. GMK Godzilla actually has feats of attacks that make him look better. Especially with his quick turns.

Trust me, the feats don't make him look better. Irys having won her fight with Gamera within a minute is the better feat.

The Stingers had an adverse affect, nothing more. Was he hindered at all? No... not really... And Mothra dodges because she is damn quick in that film.

So what's your explanation for Mothra flying directly at Godzilla (while he was facing her) twice and him doing absolutely nothing?

And this is what now? Yeah he falls over, and do you know what? He gets right back up and pounds the **** out of Ghidorah.

Not really. He gets back up and they start grappling for a while before he finally tossed Ghidorah and hit him with that unimpressive beam.

Yeah, that's it.

Never said GMK Godzilla wasn't slow speed wise.

Also sluglike whenever a battle starts. I'm serious. Every battle with a guardian involved Godzilla standing still and taking hits for the first minute or so.

Yknow how Irys starts fights? Beating her opponent down then impaling them.

And again, attacking GMK Goji in the back is a good strategy. And the only one in this fight that can do that is Mothra... and she has no way to bring down GMK Godzilla what so ever. Irys and G2K Godzilla are more of in your face style (and G2K Godzilla is pretty pathetic in hth combat in general so he is no real threat either.)

Apparently, attacking GMK Goji in the front is a good strategy too, cause it worked every time a guardian tried it.

Right... because G2K Godzilla getting knocked out for nearly two minutes by a BUILDING is good endurance.

Lemme see if I can remember this...Ignoring the continuous concussive wave he took directly before that, he had a building twice his height fall on him. In comparison, GMK Godzilla took...well...not much at all. Yknow why? Cause the Guardians suck offensively! The best thing that hit him was a shockwave that blew him into the water before the dock exploded.

And yes, I stand by the fact that he was blown off before any explosive force hit him. Cause that is what we see in the movie.

And you had two unimpressive beams at best (Mothra and the first Ghidorah beam.) Then you got the Baragon beam that caused an explosion ON ROCK that was huge before Baragon shattered. You have him demolishing entire BLOCKS in huge *** explosions when crushing the military on the ground, and that one **** that Goji's beam punched right through had a fairly big exlposion as well. The ship was only still intact because the beam went right through the damn top and kept going preventing a full on explosion as it would have happened if it was head on. And if anything, that just increases the defenses of Ghidorah and Mothra for even SURVIVING the beams at all and just go to show how resiliant their bodies actually are instead of the weak paper that people lable them as.

Ok, how about this. Let's assume, for a second, that GMK Godzilla has this ridiculous beam strength you speak of. You know why it doesn't matter? Because if he really does have that capability, he never wants to use it! At least not against kaiju. This is the same argument I bring up whenever people say Heisei Godzilla uses his spiral beam. Even if he has the capability of using the spiral beam, it doesn't matter in debates because it's never used in a battle-effective fashion. If you want to argue such a powerful GMK beam, then I get to argue Irys using sonic cutters to slice his skin open. And Irys still wins because she's more aggressive. Because GMK Goji never ever ever ever attacks first. Or even just after his opponent attacks. Or before he's floored at least once or flails around for at least half a minute.



But don't take my word for it. Let's go to the video tape.

First, Baragon vs. Godzilla

47:53 -- Baragon announces his presence to Godzilla. This is after the pit.
48:04 -- Baragon latches onto Godzilla's arm.
48:49 -- Godzilla finally throws Baragon off him.
What follows is Godzilla's best performance in the film. He steps on Baragon and tail-swipes him for a while.
50:03 -- Baragon climbs away and tries another leap at Godzilla. For the record, up until now Godzilla has fired no beam. Just a overall seemingly ineffective bullying of kicks and tail hits.
51:43 -- Godzilla finally uses his beam. On the ground below Baragon.
52:28 -- Baragon, on his back and immobile, gets hit by a beam. Does his trippy spirit explosion thing.

I maintain this is GMK Godzilla's best performance in the film. Onto Mothra.

1:07:17 -- Godzilla notices Mothra.
1:07:51 -- Mothra lands on a building. Staredown officially begins.
1:07:04 -- Mothra gets bored of staredown and flies towards Godzilla. This begins Mothra's charge at Godzilla.
1:08:27 -- Mothra scrapes Godzilla, officially ending her charge. We have almost a minute and a half of Mothra slowly flying towards Godzilla, directly in front of him. Godzilla does nothing.
1:08:59 -- Mothra makes a second charge at Godzilla.
1:09:04 -- Mothra's stingers hit Godzilla.
1:09:09 -- Mothra gracefully flies by Godzilla, not touching him. Godzilla falls into a building.
1:09:32 -- Godzilla first his first beam. I should not the explosions of it hitting the buildings aren't too impressive.
1:10:11 -- Second beam fired at Mothra. This also misses. I actually don't really hold these misses against Godzilla.
1:10:49 -- Mothra latches onto the back of Godzilla's neck. Scratches him.
1:11:35 -- Mothra releases Godzilla so Ghidorah can have a go.

Onto Ghidorah

1:11:14 -- Ghidorah makes himself known to Godzilla. Begins moving towards him.
1:11:43 -- Ghidorah bites down on Godzilla.
1:11:54 -- Electric jolts begin.
1:12:25 -- Ghidorah releases Godzilla. Godzilla falls.
1:12:29 -- Ok, he officially falls now.
1:12:54 -- Back up.
1:13:04 -- Close combat resumes.
1:13:30 -- Mothra tries to get in on this. Godzilla says no with his tail.
1:13:49 -- Godzilla throws Ghidorah.
1:14:06 -- Godzilla fires his beam. We see a lot of dust billowing up, but really, not much in terms of exploding. If I were to wager a guess, I'd say it's mainly a concussive force, pushing Ghidorah into the ground.
1:14:24 -- Ghidorah's down.

1:14:35 -- Mothra gets hit by the second beam.
1:14:38 -- We see Mothra hitting the ground with wings that are not on fire, for the record.


D-03s, blah blah blah, spirit bomb, blah blah blah (skipping those if no one has objections).

1:19:36 -- Godzilla's in the water now. Ghidorah is above, flying down to fight him.
1:19:48 -- Ghidorah hits Godzilla. Clost combat begins.
1:21:03 -- Close combat still going on. Ghidorah's now on Godzilla's back.
1:26:15 -- Ghidorah is still on Godzilla's back. Some time during this time gap, a beam was fired out that hit a bridge.
1:26:55 -- The D-03 his Ghidorah.
1:27:04 -- Ghidorah now fallen off him, GMK Godzilla attacks with his beam.
1:27:07 -- Ghidorah is down.
1:28:17 -- Ghidorah's back up.

1:29:31 -- Fight resumes.
1:29:45 -- Ghidorah glows and begins firing gravity beams.
1:30:27 -- Ghidorah flies into GMK Godzilla.
1:30:46 -- Ghidorah loses his glow. Godzilla is fully charged.
1:30:57 -- Ghidorah gets hit by the beam. I think you know what happens next.



A lot of that was more for reference than pure argumentation sake. Godzilla's still exceptionally slow to react. Now let's look at Irys.

1:17:32 -- Irys lands.
1:18:01 -- By this time Irys is moving towards her goal.
1:19:52 -- Gamera's here. Begins with the fireball attack.
1:20:00 -- Fireballs already batted away. Man, quick reaction time by the tentacles.
1:20:50 -- Gamera has landed, I'm gonna count the staredown as starting now.
1:21:51 -- Ok, I think the staredown's definitely finished by now. It's a long one, yeah.
1:21:55 -- We know the fight is underway by now.
1:22:30 -- After some stuff with the humans, we see Gamera stumble back. Then Irys puts a spike in his shoulder.
1:22:43 -- Gamera's down.
1:23:01 -- Spike in the torso.
1:24:39 -- Into the train station they go.
1:25:08 -- Gamera gets tossed. He's down.
1:31:25 -- Gams is back up, and grabs Ayana out of Irys.
1:31:33 -- Ok, this is when we really see Gamera's hand inside of Irys' chest.
1:31:48 -- Irys stabs Gamera's hand.
1:32:44 -- Stuff is being drained from Gamera. surprisingly slow.
1:33:22 -- Gamera blows off his hand.
1:33:40 -- Irys fires the fireballs. I think that's all I need to cover.



I really don't feel like doing G2k, but we all know how slow he is. So yeah, this is a match between three very reactionary kaiju. And I'd say that Irys is the least of these, since she actually engaged in a fight after the staredown. GMK Godzilla is simply very slow to react.

Baragon: 45 seconds to counter
Mothra: 2 1/2 minutes to counter
Ghidorah: 1 minute to counter

These are times when he was just taking hits (ok, not so much with Baragon, he was actually trying to get Baragon off him for those 45 seconds. No beam, though).

And I know Orga disagrees about the strength of GMK's beam, but the beams he used against the guardians really didn't impress me.

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by Burkion

This is the battle of the LAZIEST *******S OF KAIJUDOM.

Hey, I take offense to that! I'll have you know we're not lazy! Oh, right. You're talking about the kaiju. Silly me.


For starters, Iris is without a doubt the most dangerous. Mothra, as much as I love her, will be blown out of the sky and burned alive. She's just one big target. Odds are both Godzillas and Iris will hit her first. Then it comes down to a three-way battle.

One on one, Iris would win. While he's a lumbering moron, he's still as dangerous as they come. It took Gamera's plasma fist to kill him. The very same attack that burned his insides and blasted out of his backside, creating a really big explosion. While Gamera's fireballs are a lot easier to deflect, they still packed more force than G2K or GMK Godzilla's rays.

Yes, it took three fireballs to make that Gyaos go boom. Yes, it couldn't even knock it out of the sky. It doesn't matter. It still blew it to pieces. It still annihilated every other Gyaos it hit. But most of all, Gamera's fireballs are strong enough to blow off his own arm, arms so strong they can tear down a Legion Flower, and withstand Gyaos' sonic beams without any physical signs of injury. As far as force goes, Gamera's fireballs pack incredible force. While Gamera was designed to combat the Gyaos, explaining his sonic resistance, let's just remember: it's his shell that was designed to repel Gyaos' sonic attacks. In the first movie, the sonic beams sliced open his hand instantly. In the third movie, it did no such thing.

Iris deflected them with ease. Both Godzillas better pray he doesn't whack 'em aside the head, though he never demonstrated this in battle before, so it's unlikely. However, Iris is a physical beast. He repeatedly overpowered Gamera, tossing him around like a ragdoll. G2K isn't exactly agile, so he's not going to be much of a threat. GMK is a little faster, but his strength feats do not compare. And if Iris stabs GMK, it could be over for him if he tries using his beam again, as it might blast right out of his wound.

The sonic beams are lethal, strong enough to penetrate Gamera's shell. They will make G2K and GMK Godzilla bleed. G2K lasts longer because of his regenerative abilities. GMK isn't as fortunate. At this point GMK Godzilla falls. It comes down to Iris and G2K.

G2K has a very powerful beam. While it doesn't pack the force of Gamera's fireballs, it's still extremely hot. It also has momentum on its side, meaning it'll keep coming in one fiery stream. Iris isn't deflecting that. But is it enough? No, I don't think so. It'll leave him badly burnt, but it's not enough to kill the Ryuseicho.

This battle ends with Iris and G2K clashing. After overpowering the radioactive saurian, Iris stabs him, and proceeds to sap him dry. Not only could this help Iris heal whatever damage he's sustained, it'll end the fight completely. There's no way G2K is pulling that blade out, not with those tiny arms. He'll still be able to fire his atomic breath, but his energy is rapidly depleting. Eventually, he'll be too weak to fight back.

Winner: Iris
Losers: Mothra, GMK Godzilla, and G2K

[Hybrid Gojira]

Originally Posted by Tomzilla

This battle ends with Iris and G2K clashing. After overpowering the radioactive saurian, Iris stabs him, and proceeds to sap him dry. Not only could this help Iris heal whatever damage he's sustained, it'll end the fight completely. There's no way G2K is pulling that blade out, not with those tiny arms. He'll still be able to fire his atomic breath, but his energy is rapidly depleting. Eventually, he'll be too weak to fight back.

One problem with this scenario - we have a directly comparable situation where Godzilla is being drained of his energy, yet he still manages to utilize his most powerful attack on Orga. Irys drained Gamera of energy for a considerable amount of time, yet Gamera could still use his fireballs. I submit that Irys draining Godzilla of his energy is not a good idea, but one that would get him killed. G2K's beams is powerful, has tremendous force, and a point blank dose would floor Irys, draining Godzilla or not.

Seer, I'd respond to you but would need to rewatch the movie. We shall see

[Seer235]

I honestly didn't expect to come out so adamantly anti-GMK Godzilla when I went to rewatch the movie, Hybrid. I just watched the fights a second time, and I'm slightly less vehemently against his strength, but I still see him as especially slow and reactionary, which I feel is shown by the timeline I gave for the fights.

[Hybrid Gojira]

Originally Posted by Seer235

I honestly didn't expect to come out so adamantly anti-GMK Godzilla when I went to rewatch the movie, Hybrid. I just watched the fights a second time, and I'm slightly less vehemently against his strength, but I still see him as especially slow and reactionary, which I feel is shown by the timeline I gave for the fights.

I'm not a GMK Fanboy; I do really like that incarnation, but he's far from unbeatable...still when you posted your comments it made me rethink my position since I haven't watched the movie in awhile. I did just watch G2K, tho.

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by Hybrid Gojira

One problem with this scenario - we have a directly comparable situation where Godzilla is being drained of his energy, yet he still manages to utilize his [/i]most powerful[/i] attack on Orga.

Wait, there's no proof Orga can drain energy. That was never stated nor shown in the film. All we know is Orga can assimilate foreign DNA and change his DNA with it. Besides, how would you know Orga can drain energy, if we never saw Godzilla losing it?