02. Ultraseven (Heisei) vs. Super MechaGodzilla

[Battle Master]

Ultraseven (Heisei)
vs.
Super MechaGodzilla
-
Battlefield: Expoland '70

[Burkion]

LET'S DO THIS! SEVEN WILL ADVANCE TO THE FINAL FOUR! OOHYEAH!

One thing I will note RIGHT off the bat

The Wide Shot is NOT a heat based weapon.

It puts off very little radiation.

Seven HAS a heat based one, but that's his forehead beam, which in this incarnation, is likely too weak to power the Plasma Grenade.

So even if Seven gets beamy, which is possible, it's HIGHLY likely that SMG won't be able to charge the PG, meaning SMG's BEST shot at ending the fight is gone.

Now for how Seven can win.

One thing Seven is good at? Aiming.

I wonder how well those laser canons of the Garuda would fair against a slugger strike or two. Likely not very.

This would just leave SMG with his eyebeams, which can ALSO be disabled, leaving him only with the megabuster, which while potent, isn't anything Seven hasn't taken and gotten back up from.

Also keep in mind, the Wedge/Knife/ExplodyEnergythrowingthingy that Seven has lacks very little heat-just a lot of explosive force.



Seven can take this.

He's going to have to work for it and it'll push his durability to its limits, but Seven is MORE then strong enough to survive this shiney rounded monolith and charge forward, Slugger drawn.

The Wide Shot WILL hurt SMG, or at least stall it, and the EyeSlugger will chip away.

Seven's mobility is what will let him win the day here more then anything.

Let's face it, outside hovering, SMG is kinda screwed.

[Husnock]

Now THIS is the fight to watch. I for some reason am inclined to feel like Caesar watching a gladiatorial spectacle from high above, perched on my throne. Now, mongrel colossi, I demand that you ENTERTAIN ME!!!

[Hybrid Gojira]

Here's my beef with Seven winning this fight - how is he going to deal with SMG's beams? Yeah, Seven is mobile, but that doesn't mean he would dodge a constant barrage of beams, and if he can't deal with the beams, he can't beat SMG.

[Burkion]

Well, as I mentioned, he's durable enough to TAKE them.


Keep in mind the insane punishment he can take-the beams may knock him over, but NONE of them are potent enough to keep him down barring the PG, which SMG can't use.

UltraSeven is, if anything, very enduring.

And I don't remember the eye beams OR the laser canons being anything to write home about.

So the only one he has to worry about is the Megabuster, which is mostly average.

Nothing he hasn't dealt with before.

And agian, he can take them out pretty easy too. If Rodan's pecking could knock out an eyelaser, the EyeSlugger is going to wreck them.

[SpaceHunterM]

Unfortunately I am not going to be able to utterly rape Burkion's attempts at an argument until tomorrow. I am dealing with a bit of a family emergency and sadly my Super Robot plays second fiddle to real life. Hopefully I'll be able to respond soon/

[Super Angillas]

While I do think Burkion regards Seven a little too highly, I still think Seven has this. No Plasma Grenade defangs one of SMG's best weapons. the other one is the Shock Anchors, and they pretty much require the target to be imobilized. So that just leaves him with Beam Spam. Now I don't know how beam resistant Seven is, but I'm going to assume he'll be able to withstand it for a bit. Seven isn't an idiot, and if the Expoland buildings are empty, he would be willing and able to take cover behind them. Now the single biggest advantage Seven has is the Eyeslugger. I really Doubt SMG's armor is a tough as King Joes. I can see the Slugger going right though SMG. If, and I must stress the If, Seven can get close to SMG, then SMG is dead. It doesn't melee well at all. Hell that's why MOGURA has the drill. Knock SMG down, and it tends to have trouble recovering. Hmmn, how quickly can Seven move on foot? SMG isn't the fastest at turning, and all his weapons face front. If Seven can just get behind him, SMG is in deep trouble.

[Burkion]

I think we c all agree Seven is one of the most mobile and quick footed ground fighters in the DD. His speed is better then the sluggish 90s Toho Kaiju. Well, barring his flight speed which is....questionable.

[Super Angillas]

So there's a good chance of him bieng able to attack from behind. I know Ultraman would attack from behind if he could, so I assume Seven has no trouble going for an enemies back.

[Showa Godzilla]

Not entirely sure on this one yet, though I'm leaning Seven right now. Without a Plasma grenade, Super Mechagodzilla is in for one hell of a fight.

[Hybrid Gojira]

SMG might be immobile on land, but he flies. When has Seven withstood such a constant barrage of attacks (which SMG has) or been able to dodge non-stop while attacking?

Burk?

Seriously.

Because most of Seven's foes aren't the kind which spam beams non-stop. SMG does ecactly that. Seven can dodge, sure, but you're kidding yourself to think he won't get hit by SMG's beams.

Personally, I think Seven is done here, but I'm open to suggestions.

[Husnock]

Like Hybrid (and in part due to Hybrid's reasoning), I'm starting to sway towards SMG. Problem with the laser cannons, eye beams, and tranquilizer missiles is that, while they won't do serious harm to Seven, they'll be coming at him all at once and will at least trip him up a little, leaving him open to Megabuster fire. Plus there'll be just so much of everything.

[Super Angillas]

Thing is, Seven isn't a Hesei Toho Kaiju. He can move quickly. Quite possibly faster than SMG can track. And all of SMG's weapons face forward. So if Seven can move fast enough to get out of the line of fire, then he's got the advantage.

[SpaceHunterM]

For the silly people who question SMG's ability to hit a moving target at range I present to you a picture I have shown you all before. SMG has never missed a target...ever... and his shoots alot of them.









I'll get to you're main post eventually tonight Burky, I just wanted to smack SA in the face for his silliness first.

[Super Angillas]

Compleatly invalid! That's regular Mechagodzilla!

Seriously, that's a decent start. However I've got to watch the scene again, to check how fast Rodan was flying, and the direction. It's not so impressive if all his opponents attack head on, running into the various beams. Can SMG deal with an opponent who is going to flank him? Shooting lots of beams alone does not equal certain victory. Not to mention Rodan still got close enough to peck out an eye, and Godzilla got close enough for melee.
Please forgive me if I was silly. But I needed some. I've had a bad day.

[SpaceHunterM]

Originally Posted by Burkion

LET'S DO THIS! SEVEN WILL ADVANCE TO THE FINAL FOUR! OOHYEAH!

This is going to be easier than I expected.

One thing I will note RIGHT off the bat

The Wide Shot is NOT a heat based weapon.

It puts off very little radiation.

Seven HAS a heat based one, but that's his forehead beam, which in this incarnation, is likely too weak to power the Plasma Grenade.

So even if Seven gets beamy, which is possible, it's HIGHLY likely that SMG won't be able to charge the PG, meaning SMG's BEST shot at ending the fight is gone.

Now for how Seven can win.

First off SMG doesn't need the PG to win this bout (though he will be able to use it.) SMG's beams decimated Fire Rodan's body, a kaiju who didn't show visible burns from Godzilla's heat ray. Spoiler: They didn't do too badly against Godzilla either.




As for the Wide Shot not being heat based...








Kinda hard for a beam with no heat catching something on fire...

One thing Seven is good at? Aiming.

I wonder how well those laser canons of the Garuda would fair against a slugger strike or two. Likely not very.

Kinda hard for a kaiju who goes through elaborate poses to shoot any special weapon to do so while under a CONSTANT barrage of five beams and missiles.

[SpaceHunterM]

This would just leave SMG with his eyebeams, which can ALSO be disabled, leaving him only with the megabuster, which while potent, isn't anything Seven hasn't taken and gotten back up from.

Oh Burk... I didn't expect you to try and retreat into yesterdays where people thought SMG was paper.

Let the result of the previously posted Megabuster blast be brought into evidence






Now some nice Garuda beams. Admittedly this is after the first Megabuster AND Garuda beams, but the fact there are two wounds tell the story.





Back to the Megabuster with the final shot, the only one that hit Rodan in the back.





Now For some Godzilla Shots

Now unfortunately this scene kept skipping slightly when I tried to grab it, but check out the chunk of flesh missing from Goji's.





These are the HOLES the tranq missiles left in Goji





The first megabuster burns from the second battle... They're the little white spots and torn suit pieces.







Last one for now, but I'll have more if I need it. This was a very interesting shot that I actually hadn't noticed before. While SMG is flying circles around Godzilla he fires one long megabuster that actually keeps pushing godzilla backwards, forcing him to stumble in order to keep his balance. Also check out the explosion of light from the middle pick.

Also keep in mind, the Wedge/Knife/ExplodyEnergythrowingthingy that Seven has lacks very little heat-just a lot of explosive force.

That he used against Joe? Good luck getting the 5+ seconds of charge time required.

Seven can take this.

He's going to have to work for it and it'll push his durability to its limits, but Seven is MORE then strong enough to survive this shiney rounded monolith and charge forward, Slugger drawn.

Yes because charging at a Flying Beam Fortress of death is SO easy right?

The Wide Shot WILL hurt SMG, or at least stall it, and the EyeSlugger will chip away.

How? Even if it wasn't a heat beam, which it is, how you expect the NT-20 diamond armor to even budge when even the second layer of armor resisted NUMEROUS spiral beams.

Seven's mobility is what will let him win the day here more then anything.

He can have all the mobility in the world, but if his opponent so much as hits him with one beam that mobility is gone as Seven staggers and then is swallowed up in a beam barrage that killed the Hulk of all Godzillas.

Let's face it, outside hovering, SMG is kinda screwed.

Guess it's a good thing that SMG is always hovering, always moving, and always shooting until his opponent is down on the ground. Seven needs at least a full second to use any of his weapons and SMG isn't going to give him that time. One fighter in this match is screwed, but it sure as hell isn't SMG.

[SpaceHunterM]

Originally Posted by Super Angillas

Compleatly invalid! That's regular Mechagodzilla!

Seriously, that's a decent start. However I've got to watch the scene again, to check how fast Rodan was flying, and the direction. It's not so impressive if all his opponents attack head on, running into the various beams. Can SMG deal with an opponent who is going to flank him? Shooting lots of beams alone does not equal certain victory. Not to mention Rodan still got close enough to peck out an eye, and Godzilla got close enough for melee.
Please forgive me if I was silly. But I needed some. I've had a bad day.

I hate having to post so much in a row, but...


I like it especially because it shows SMG's beams not only have a wide arc of firing, but can accurately hit a fast moving opponent. Do I have to post pics of all the beams SMG fired and hit Rodan with? That's ALL of his beams! HE HAS TOO MANY FOR ME TO DO THAT!


Rodan didn't get close... Rodan got plasma grenaded into a building and had it collapse on him. MG got slightly closer to examine the body and Rodan leaped up like a ninja and got in a few pecks before getting completely destroyed by another plasma grenade.


The only time Godzilla ever got close was after the beam explosion overheated MG's systems... after he was already running hot from so many Plasma Grenades against Rodan.. Even after Godzilla was STOMPING on MG's neck for five minutes the Mecha showed no physical damage. I'll be damned if Seven can dish more out more physical damage on a constantly hovering SMG than Godzilla can on a disabled one.


Sorry you had a bad day though

[Mighty Minya]

Damn, you just changed my opinion on this fight... Seven you're bad-*** and all, I'm gonna let you finish, but Super Mechagodzilla's gonna own you... Unless Burk can bring up some super epic evidence supporting Seven. (C'mon Burk! I want seven to win!)

[Burkion]

riannfbows formz sssssssssssssmges cheeseeatinghole wilaunt hit hoftan anwew noboooburning!

(no sleep 24 hours no computer no logicccccccsBURNBURBURBURNBURNBURNB)

[Mighty Minya]

Originally Posted by Burkion

riannfbows formz sssssssssssssmges cheeseeatinghole wilaunt hit hoftan anwew noboooburning!

(no sleep 24 hours no computer no logicccccccsBURNBURBURBURNBURNBURNB)

Ummmm.... I think you broke him SpaceHunter....

[Super Angillas]

Originally Posted by SpaceHunterM

I hate having to post so much in a row, but...


I like it especially because it shows SMG's beams not only have a wide arc of firing, but can accurately hit a fast moving opponent. Do I have to post pics of all the beams SMG fired and hit Rodan with? That's ALL of his beams! HE HAS TOO MANY FOR ME TO DO THAT!


Rodan didn't get close... Rodan got plasma grenaded into a building and had it collapse on him. MG got slightly closer to examine the body and Rodan leaped up like a ninja and got in a few pecks before getting completely destroyed by another plasma grenade.


The only time Godzilla ever got close was after the beam explosion overheated MG's systems... after he was already running hot from so many Plasma Grenades against Rodan.. Even after Godzilla was STOMPING on MG's neck for five minutes the Mecha showed no physical damage. I'll be damned if Seven can dish more out more physical damage on a constantly hovering SMG than Godzilla can on a disabled one.


Sorry you had a bad day though

You don't have to post a pic for every beam. I found my copy of GvsMG2, so I'll watch the fight sometime.
I'll check SMG's firing arc when I watch it. But I don't think it's even 180 at a time, and it's guns don't traverse that fast. On the other hand I also need to see some video of Seven in motion so I know how fast he moves. Goji was fairly straightforward, he doesn't have the ability to flank. Seven may.
So Seven can't jump up when SMG gets close like Rodan did? Well okay if the crew learned their lesson the first time...
The think is when Goji was stomping, SMG was in huge trouble the whole time. Didn't it need Garuda to distract Goji so they could get free? Also wasn't MG pinned face down? Explaining why he didn't beam Goji. Well i may be wrong, let me watch the movie tonight or tommorow, I'll get back to you You raised some good points. But if Seven get's MG in melee, it's still seven's advantage. He's good at melee, and he's fought very tough nuts to crack before like King Joe. There's still the matter of the eyeslugger.

The funniest way to Seven to win, would be to seemingly dissapear in the dustcloud from an explosion. Then when the crew of MG is looking for him, he busts in through the hatch at human size and beats them up. But that won't happen.

[Husnock]

Yeesh, SHM has effectively torn apart nearly every arguement made in Ultraseven's favor, and now Burk has quite literally blown a gasket because of it.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Burkion

riannfbows formz sssssssssssssmges cheeseeatinghole wilaunt hit hoftan anwew noboooburning!

(no sleep 24 hours no computer no logicccccccsBURNBURBURBURNBURNBURNB)

....................I have no idea what this is all about, but it makes me want to vote for SMG just because this post exists... It appears that what Burk seemed to say is that "Rainbows from SMG's cheese eating hole will not hit often anyway." Not sure if the last part is "noob burning" or "no burning."

I take it everyone else got that though... But yeah, Burk's arguments are weak as hell. He needs to pick up the pace for me to even give MG a Lean vote at this point.

[Husnock]

Originally Posted by Orga777

....................I have no idea what this is all about, but it makes me want to vote for SMG just because this post exists... It appears that what Burk seemed to say is that "Rainbows from SMG's cheese eating hole will not hit often anyway." Not sure if the last part is "noob burning" or "no burning."

I take it everyone else got that though... But yeah, Burk's arguments are weak as hell. He needs to pick up the pace for me to even give MG a Lean vote at this point.

Ohhh, THAT'S what it means... I honestly didn't get that.