New Era Timeline

[Morgoth]

Here is the timeline for the "New Era" stories. Films are denoted by "*" before them.

*Godzilla, King of the Monsters
*Godzilla versus the Sea Monster, in an altered form (no Mothra)
* Gorgo
*Reptilicus
* King Kong (1976)
*Godzilla 1985
*King Kong Lives
*Godzilla vs. Biollante
*Godzilla vs King Ghidorah
*Godzilla and Mothra: the Battle for Earth
Godzilla vs Frankenstein
*Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2
*Godzilla vs Space Godzilla
Godzilla vs Cthulhu
*Gamera, Guardian of the Universe
*Godzilla vs Destroyah
* Gamera 2: Advent of Legion
*Rebirth of Mothra
*Rebirth of Mothra 2
*Mothra 3: King Ghidorah Attacks
Godzilla vs King Kong
The Return of Rodan
Scourge of the Supersaurs
Koumajutsu: The Coming of Bagan
Frankenstein Has Risen from the Grave (set during Koumajutsu)

Hope that clears everything up. And, yes, I know that Gamera 3 is not a part of this timeline. I want to do the mass Gyaos invasion and the awakening of Irys my own way.  

[Jeremy Sand]

That is a very interesting Timeline. So, Gamera 3 will happen in your own way, huh? Just one question. If Mothra wasn't in your version of Godzilla vs. The sea Monster, who rescued the slaves? Ow were ther even any slaves? What exactally happened in Your version of Godzilla vs. the Sea monster in your alternate version?

Also, I'm sure other movies take place like you said, like the Hammer Frankenstein films and some Kato stories and movies too. Also, I think Jurassic Park 1, 2 and 3 take place too, or at least Jurassic Park in some form or another.

What are the other stories that take place in your New Era timeline? At first I opposed your all encompassing view on these stories, but now It is pretty awsome waht you are doing. Keep up the good work.

[Saruman]

What happened to the original "Rodan" & "Mothra" movies?  

[Charles RB]

OK, using my shaky knowledge of Hammer Horror, I've done some changes to the timeline:
I have no idea how Kato fits in...
Didn't you mention GODZILLA VS THE SMOG MONSTER as having happened in GVsKK?
And as we know, original Rodan and Mothra don't happen in this timeline.

*Horror of Frankenstein (19th Century)
*Revenge of Frankenstein
*Godzilla, King of the Monsters
*Godzilla versus the Sea Monster, in an altered form (no Mothra)
* Gorgo
*Reptilicus
* King Kong (1976)
*Godzilla 1985
*King Kong Lives
*Godzilla vs. Biollante
*Godzilla vs King Ghidorah
*Jurassic Park
*Godzilla and Mothra: the Battle for Earth
Godzilla vs Frankenstein
*Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2
*Godzilla vs Space Godzilla
Godzilla vs Cthulhu
*Gamera, Guardian of the Universe
*Godzilla vs Destroyah
* Gamera 2: Advent of Legion
*Rebirth of Mothra
*Rebirth of Mothra 2
*The Lost World: Jurassic Park
*Mothra 3: King Ghidorah Attacks
Godzilla vs King Kong
The Return of Rodan
Scourge of the Supersaurs
Koumajutsu: The Coming of Bagan
Frankenstein Has Risen from the Grave (set during Koumajutsu)

 Didn't know that the gamera movies where in your timeline.  Cool.  So, when do we get to see some of the gamera critters (gamera, gyaos, Irys, and hopefully legion)?  And will it be before or after the (proposed) alien invasion?

 And are you going to rewrite Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster sometime?  Just wondering what all was diffrent in your version.

 Finally, where exactly does Kato come from?  I think you said somewhere he was from an anime, but I can't recall which one and can't find the post or whatever where you said this.  I could just be imagining things.

[Charles RB]

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<div id='QUOTE'>*Didn't know that the gamera movies where in your timeline. *Cool. *So, when do we get to see some of the gamera critters (gamera, gyaos, Irys, and hopefully legion)? *And will it be before or after the (proposed) alien invasion?
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Knowing Clint, that IS the invasion! TREMBLE EARTHLINGS! &nbsp;

[Saruman]

I still prefer to not see Godzilla &amp; Gamera cross over. Tho I can say I would like to see how Toho Kaiju deal with Legion and Irys.

With my knowlege of Hammer films, I present this:

*The Curse Of Frankenstein
*The Revenge Of Frankenstein
*The Evil Of Frankenstein
*Frankenstein Created Women
*Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed
*Frankenstein And The Monster From Hell
*Godzilla, King of the Monsters
*Godzilla versus the Sea Monster, in an altered form (no Mothra)
*Gorgo
*Reptilicus
*King Kong (1976)
*Godzilla 1985
*King Kong Lives
*Godzilla vs. Biollante
*Godzilla vs King Ghidorah
*Godzilla and Mothra: the Battle for Earth
*Jurassic Park
Godzilla vs Frankenstein
*Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2
*Godzilla vs Space Godzilla
Godzilla vs Cthulhu
*Gamera, Guardian of the Universe
*Godzilla vs Destroyah
*Gamera 2: Advent of Legion
*Rebirth of Mothra
*The Lost World: Jurassic Park
*Rebirth of Mothra 2
*Mothra 3: King Ghidorah Attacks
Godzilla vs King Kong
The Return of Rodan
Scourge of the Supersaurs
*Jurassic Park III
Koumajutsu: The Coming of Bagan
Frankenstein Has Risen from the Grave (set during Koumajutsu)

ERROR IN PROGRAMMING! There is an error. Jurassic Park occured in 1993. NOT in 1992. I know because I have all two movies.

[Morgoth]

The Hammer films are spot on, Godzillatron! Even though &quot;Evil&quot; really plays hob with the rest of the line up, I think it could still reasonably occur. As for the JP films, well, they don't affect much in the way of the Godzilla stories, so when and where they occur in the timeline doesn't really matter too much.

As for the lovable Kato Yasunori, he hails from a film entitled &quot;Tokyo: the Last Megalopolis&quot; and is set roughly in the first third of this century, pre-WWII. The anime series that was also derived from Aramata's horror novel was &quot;Doomed Megalopolis&quot; and also set in the same time frame.

I am certain that, as time goes on, other films and stories will fall into place &nbsp;

[Jeremy Sand]

What about All those books by H.P. Lovecraft. I don't know about his books at all, but he wrote about your Mighty Cthulhu, and if I remember Godzilla vs. Cthulhu corectally, several tales were told about the workings of the Great Old Ones that I'm guessing happened in books. Am I right in guessing that?

The Jurassic Park Stories have some relevance. Supposedly it was the DNA from the park that helped make the Supersaurs. Wasn't it? And didn't Dr. Mafunr help make the JP Dinos? He ws a top genttics scientist, even with a bad reputation I suspect Ingen used his research. In return, Dr. Mafune stole Dino DNA to make the Supersaurs.

Also, how exactally does Godzilla the Sea Monster occur without Morthra. What happens in the revised tale? Does the Island still blow up? Are there slaves? If there still are, who rescues them if there is no Mothra? Just curious.

Ugh, don't mess with the Cthulha mythos. &nbsp;That has no official storyline that I know of, Lovecraft just sort of threw out any idea that happened to be laying around, and just kinda hoped they would all fit together. &nbsp;If you are really interested, there was one book I have somewhere that has a pretty good guess at the timeline. &nbsp;If I can dig it up, I could post the modified timeline. &nbsp;But I think it would be better just to accept Cthulha exists and move on. &nbsp;Off topic, it would be cool to see Yog-Shoggoth, Nylathope(the creeping caos), or the Necromonicon show up in a future story.

&nbsp;Also, is GMK going to figure into the new age storyline in any way? &nbsp;I mean, one thing I think of when looking at the new Godzilla and hearing its origins is Kato. &nbsp;He was supposed to be, if I remember right, a being created by vengful souls wanting to take out their wrath on Tokyo. &nbsp;I could see Kato, in a last ditch effort to destroy Tokyo after Bagan fails, raising and possesing the body of the original Godzilla, making it more powerful.

&nbsp;It would be awsome to see the new Godzilla fight his possesed ancestor. &nbsp;And the other three kaiju that pop up in the movie could be explained as well. &nbsp;Or at least two of them. &nbsp;The bodies of the first Mothra and King Ghidorah would be possesed by other souls and mutate.

Just an idea on where the series could go. &nbsp;I know you have your own plans, this is just me thinking out loud. &nbsp;Would still be cool.

[Jeremy Sand]

Oh, sorry, I did not know that all those stories wern't related. It's just that in G vs. C Clint wrote of some instinances of &nbsp;various instances related to Cthulhu and his spawn. I thought that these would be actual back story.

Also, I think (I'm not sure) that the Giant statue Majin will find his way Clint's timeline eventually.
I know of much more, but I'll just zip my big fat lips, I've said too much.

So, we can only spectulate on the timeline of Clint's New Era.

Okay, here's the complete timeline as it is now:

*The Curse Of Frankenstein
*The Revenge Of Frankenstein
*The Evil Of Frankenstein
*Frankenstein Created Women
*Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed
*Frankenstein And The Monster From Hell
*Tokyo: the Last Megalopolis
*Godzilla, King of the Monsters
*Godzilla versus the Sea Monster, in an altered form (no Mothra)
*Gorgo
*Reptilicus
*King Kong (1976)
*Godzilla 1985
*King Kong Lives
*Godzilla vs. Biollante
*Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
*Godzilla and Mothra: the Battle for Earth
*Jurassic Park
Godzilla vs. Frankenstein
*Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
*Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla
Godzilla vs. Cthulhu
*Gamera, Guardian of the Universe
*Godzilla vs. Destroyah
* Gamera II: Advent of Legion
*Mothra
*The Lost World: Jurassic Park
*Mothra II: Showdown Beneath The Sea
*Mothra III: King Ghidorah Attacks
Godzilla vs. King Kong
The Return of Rodan
Scourge of the Supersaurs
*Jurassic Park III
Koumajutsu: The Coming of Bagan
Frankenstein Has Risen from the Grave (set during Koumajutsu)

GMK wasn't created by vengeful souls ..he was possessed by them after he mutated...Godzilla and these souls seem to coexist instead of one controlling the other though..G in 54 seemed to be in control though....

[Morgoth]

Draco, have you been sneaking a peak at the future? I have had an idea rather along the lines you mentioned for quite some time, long before even the idea of pairing Kato with Bagan.

Being unable to leave well enough alone, I went and dug out my Lovecraft story collection. &nbsp;Be afraid. &nbsp;I have realised I don't have dates on the hammer pictures, so I can't put these into the timeline. &nbsp;I will give them and the dates, hopefully someone else will be able to fit things together:

The Doom That Came to Sarnath (Prehistory)
The Cats of Ulthar (Prehistory)
Necromonicon written (not sure, but approxiamitly during medieval times)
Imprisoned with the Pharaohs (1910)
The Call of Cuthulhu (1926)
The Mound (1929)
The Whisperer in Darkness (1930)
At the Mountain of Madness (1931)
Out of the Eons (1933)
The Shadow out of Time (1935)
The Challenge from Beyond (1935)
The Haunter of the Dark (1935)

&nbsp;This assumes that all these stories are set in approximitly the time they are written. &nbsp;I don't have access to all the stories, so I may be wrong on a few of them. &nbsp;This is only a cross section of the more important works of Lovecraft, there are many many more.

&nbsp;Clint, have you read the Lin Carter version of the Necromonicon? &nbsp;If you have, you might consider refrencing it in your timeline, as it makes refrence to, among other things, a race of lizard men living under ground.

[Morgoth]

I have read alot of Cthulhu Mythos fiction, including many of Lin Carter's stories, but I have never chanced across that one. I demand knowledge of it at once, or you shall face the wrath of Kato!

Seriously, I did write a few of the stories into GvsC as backstory. They were, in no particular order:

The Call of Cthulhu
The Shadow Over Innsmouth
At the Mountains of Madness
and August Derleth's novel &quot;The Trail of Cthulhu&quot;. That pretty much sums up the stories of the Cthulhu Mythos that are definately a part of the New Era timeline, though others may be added on later &nbsp;

I forgot Shadow over Insmouth! &nbsp;Argh! &nbsp;What was I smoking? &nbsp;It happened in 1942.

&nbsp;So the Cuthulhu stories are:

The Call of Cthulhu (1926)
At the Mountains of Madness (1931)
The Shadow Over Innsmouth (1942)

&nbsp;No idea on the novel. &nbsp;Have to find it.

&nbsp;As for the Necromonicon by Carter, it can be found in the Chaosium collection entitled The Necromonicon. &nbsp;I would recomend any of the Chaosium collections, they are pretty good and reprint stuff that is kinda hard to find. &nbsp;If you want info on the chapters or anything, ask.

&nbsp;How many of the revelations in At the Mountains of Madness do you consider cannon? &nbsp;Are the Mi-go around in your time-line?

[Saruman]

Ok, I have been looking for some H.P. Lovecraft Cthulhu books to read, but is there any place I should start, or should I just buy a couple and start reading. I have a decent knowledge of the mythos, from the game and friends, but I want to read some of his books. Any suggestions on which ones to start with?

Okay, here it is as now.

*The Curse Of Frankenstein
*The Revenge Of Frankenstein
*The Evil Of Frankenstein
*Frankenstein Created Women
*Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed
*Frankenstein And The Monster From Hell
*The Call of Cthulhu
*At the Mountains of Madness
*The Shadow Over Innsmouth
*Tokyo: The Last Megalopolis
*Godzilla: King Of The Monsters
*Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster (altered version, no Mothra)
*Gorgo
*Reptilicus
*King Kong
*Godzilla 1985
*King Kong Lives
*Godzilla vs. Biollante
*Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
*Godzilla And Mothra: The Battle For Earth
*Jurrasic Park
Godzilla vs. Frankenstein
*Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla
*Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
Godzilla vs. Cthulhu
*Gamera: The Guardian Of &nbsp;The Universe
*Godzilla vs. Destroyer
*Gamera II: Advent Of Legion
*Mothra
*The Lost World: Jurassic Park
*Mothra II: Showdown Beneath The Sea
*Mothra III: King Ghidorah Attacks
Godzilla vs. King Kong
The Return Of Rodan
Scourge Of The Supersaurs
*Jurassic Park III
Koumajtsu: The Coming Of Bagan
Frankenstein Has Risen From The Grave

[Robert Ranting]

Ok, minor little thing. *In all honesty, if Clint is including the Cthulhu books in his timeline, then Jurassic Park deserves the same respect. *I suggest that he include the original novel by Michael Crichton (which occurs in 1989) and if he so choses, the Lost World (1995) instead of the films. *This also prevents him from having to acknowledge the 3rd flick at all, which is a plus!

Also, I think Kato raising the original 1954 G and infusing it with venegeful souls to create Kaneko-Zilla is a pretty good idea. *Just so long as Kato doesn't get his necromancer claws into the current &quot;hero&quot; Godzilla, I'm into the idea.

Robert &quot;Just A Thought&quot; Ranting

[Saruman]

Ummm, everyone knows that all 4 Kaiju in GMK are created with the souls of people, right?

[Morgoth]

Ok, Jeff, the absolute essential collection of HPL's works is to begin with &quot;The Dunwich Horror and Others&quot;, which reprints most of the canon Mythos stories. His longer novels are collected in &quot;At the Mountains of Madness&quot;, and his Dreamlands fiction, as well as other stories, are in &quot;The Lurking Fear and Others&quot;. I have very nice HB editions of these from Arkham House.

One minor problem on the timeline. Innsmouth occurs in 1929-1930, not in the 40's.

Hmmm, not anticipating a Kato-controlled New Era Godzilla, eh, Herr Ranting?

[Morgoth]

Yes, I have a very large collection of Mythos books, including the Chaosium collection, sans &quot;The Scroll of Thoth&quot; (those Simon of Gitta stories are such absolute dreck that to call them crap would be complimentary, honestly, I would buy a Steven King book before I'd suffer that abomination in my library, and we all know I offered the guy who hit King with his van $20 for a job at least partially well done &nbsp; ). In fact, I even have a few somewhat obscure collections, such as the original &quot;Disciples of Cthulhu&quot; and Lieber's &quot;The Hounds of Tindalos&quot;. Oh, and Robert W. Chambers' eerie &quot;The KIng in Yellow&quot;, recently reprinted in Chaosium's &quot;The Yellow Sign&quot;.