Battra Larva VS Megalon

[Baryonyx13]

I noticed some people comparing Battra Larva to Megalon, so I thought...

Battra (Larva) VS Megalon

Megalon is scaled up to Hesei size... that's what, 120 meters?

Ok, Megalon is 120 meters.

Who wins??

[anguirus55]

I guess I'm "some people" and I think Megalon has got it in the bag when it comes to firepower and mobility. He doesn't take hits well, but he'll still probably win.

[Showa Godzilla]

This is just like the Showa Goji fight.Megalon just has to run behind and unleash his arsenal.Megalon may be stupid but he can figure out to run behind Battra before he dies.

[Baryonyx13]

Originally Posted by anguirus55

I guess I'm "some people" and I think Megalon has got it in the bag when it comes to firepower and mobility. He doesn't take hits well, but he'll still probably win.

Hahaha Yep you are.

[Solar_Behemoth]

I think Battra Larva would win this.

Megalon is a dimwit, so he sure as hell won't fire his horn beam and napalm bombs as near as often as Battra would with his never-ending barrage of beams. And, miracle as it would be, if Megalon figures out to attack Battra from behind, guess what? Battra can burrow and escape to the other side, and then fire his beams yet again.

And Battra's beams are not very powerful, but they are enough to take Megalon down eventually. Megalon was harmed by just the explosion of Godzilla's ray, which is saying alot.

[PyrasTerran]

I love debating Battra Larva matches..

Folks must remember that Battra Larva fought Heisei Goji to a complete standstill. He has 2 more rays than Megalon at his disposal and he is not afraid to use them(Megalon never showed much grace in defending against blasts, constantly toppling around). He is able to burrow as well, and one thing folks seem to forget is that he's not bad at turning, he's capable of it very well.

One of the biggest arguements against Larva is that the opponent might go behind them, and people think the opponent will bide their time attacking behind them. 1) it's not like Battra won't turn around and give them a beam to the face, and 2) they have to get around him meaning they have to be able to withstand a barrage of his beams without tripping over themselves.

Another trait folks forget about Megalon is that he has his own energy pulse for anyone who trys to grapple the front of him.

Also consider the durability scales here. Megalon was reeling by Showa Goji's blast, Heisei Goji's blast Battra pretty much ignored.

Once again, Where do people get the apparently written-in-stone idea that Battra Larva sucks at turning around?? Time to vaporize this myth:

A Scene from Godzilla and Mothra: The Battle for Earth.

Battra Larva walks past the Tokyo Tower. Tanks and Maser fire pelt him from his side. He turns his head 90 degrees instantly to look at them, then turns his whole body almost completey around in a split second to send the Tokyo Tower on his annoyances.

Battra has NO trouble turning, end of story.



Naturally, I am rooting for Battra Larva.

[ghidorahsaurus]

Quite a few good matchups here lately. This one is fun too - good job, Baryonyx13.

In some regards, Megalon seems better equipped to fight Battra Larva than Showa Godzilla. Consider his napalm loogies, lighting top, and clubbing devices. But, as someone else mentioned, just how durable is Megalon?

With this question in mind, I am inclined to think Battra Larva would win. Megalon would put up a good fight in the beginning, maybe even doing better than Showa Godzilla at first, but it seems Battra's beams would finally take their toll.

Well, I don't know. What if Megalon burrowed, and Battra stayed above ground? Battra is not as mobile as Jet Jaguar (he may be able to turn around quickly, but not actually move from point A to point B quickly) - maybe Megalon could catch him with his spinny diggers of death!

Undecided

[anguirus55]

Folks must remember that Battra Larva fought Heisei Goji to a complete standstill.

Battra didn't make a mark on Godzilla, and while Godzilla's breath didn't do much, if he had really wanted to he could have just walked up and flung him probably a mile (compare his weight to MG's). Godzilla seemed kinda beat, considering that he had had his chops busted by MKG not long before, he had not attacked a nuclear plant that we know of since 1989, and he was targeting Mothra's egg for food presumably(something he rarely does). Later in the movie, he seems revitalized. My hypothesis is that he found an underground cavern of radioactive ores. He isn't looking for food anymore and he quickly slaughters Battra in adult form.

Megalon is TWICE Battra's weight, is able to fly and fire from the air (Battra's field of fire is pretty narrow, even if you count his horn), has drill-hands easily capable or getting through the carapace, and packs all this into a more compact, more manuverable package. Both seem to be good diggers, so that cancels out nicely.

[PyrasTerran]

Godzilla seemed kinda beat, considering that he had had his chops busted by MKG not long before,

It was a full bloody year ago, how can you pin it on that?? And I where exactly does it show Godzilla seeming "kinda beat"??

fire from the air

If Heisei Goji's beam didn't dent Battra, I really doubt Megalon's will do anything.

has drill-hands easily capable or getting through the carapace,

Too bad he uses them as blunt bashing weapons and not the way they should be used.





Megalon will more than likely come in, drills-a-flailing. This can spell his downfall as attacking Battra from the front isn't a smooth idea, as not only does he have 3 beams, but they spread out like a spray.

[PyrasTerran]

Battra didn't make a mark on Godzilla, and while Godzilla's breath didn't do much, if he had really wanted to he could have just walked up and flung him probably a mile (compare his weight to MG's).

What good will that do? He had already slammed him into the ground several times, and the only way he was able to do that in the first place was by catching him by the tail when he was swimming by. Godzilla tried grappling him again from the front, and got an unhealthy dose of his energy pulse.

[Gorjirus]

Battra

Battra's field of fire is pretty narrow, even if you count his horn

Out of curiosity, how did you find out his field of fire is narrow? If I remember correctly (which I must do since my copy of G&M is pretty much shot), there was only something behind him, what, twice maybe three times? We don't know that he can't fire behind him (though he most likely wouldn't hit anything) he should be able to do so.

Battra's exoskeleton is VERY tough. It took Heisei G's beam very well, and it took a physical beating. I seriously doubt he would have been so easily if he had stayed in his larvae form.

I just don't see Megalon's broadside blows doing anything, and most likely the napalm bombs would just bounce off. The lightning might be a problem, but so would Battra's three beam's to Megalon.

I just see Battra winning.

[PyrasTerran]

Battra's field of fire is pretty narrow, even if you count his horn

Battra's field of fire is everything in front of him, he has range like a shotgun.

[PyrasTerran]

and while Godzilla's breath didn't do much,

Forget do much, it did nothing. Battra fired his beams right after he got shot without flinching or roaring.

[anguirus55]

Battra's field of fire is everything in front of him, he has range like a shotgun.

I think my point was missed. Battra can't fire upwards very well, and I mentioned Megalon's flying...

It was a full bloody year ago, how can you pin it on that?? And I where exactly does it show Godzilla seeming "kinda beat"??

Because his *** was kicked, he was lying on the bottom of the ocean, and no one saw him until he went for Mothra's egg...coming up not at all far from where he went in. And most of the rest of my post explained why I though Godzilla seemed that way, take it or leave it.

[ghidorahsaurus]

Starting to agree with PyrasTerran, especially in the durability department. Energy depleted or not, Godzilla (and some of the JSDF's finest) hit Battra Larva with quite a bit, and he did not seem to take too much notice. Megalon, though lovable, may be in over his head, due to the disparity in durability.

Not quite ready to vote, but leaning towards Battra (again).

[PyrasTerran]

I think my point was missed. Battra can't fire upwards very well, and I mentioned Megalon's flying...

Gotcha. Problem is, there's no evidence showing Battra can't fire upwards very well. His caterpillar body certainly seems to point to him being quite capable of it(just a matter of leaning back), and his shotgun range should get Megalon nomatter where he be.

Because his *** was kicked, he was lying on the bottom of the ocean, and no one saw him until he went for Mothra's egg...coming up not at all far from where he went in. And most of the rest of my post explained why I though Godzilla seemed that way, take it or leave it.

No one except for the audience, sir.

We see Godzilla underwater, perfectly alive and kicking, not only in the beginning of Godzilla vs. Mothra, but at the very end of Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah. On top of that, when he opened his eyes in GvKK, they were glowing, as if he was just recharged. His back was sparking energy, he let off some radiation from his mouth, it's as if he wasn't hurt.

Sorry, but there is no excuse for Godzilla's performance against Battra Larva.

[SpaceHunterM]

Pyras your arguments for Battra's victory are completely true anyone who disagrees is just being stubborn or really hates the dark moth.


Battra fries Megalon

[anguirus55]

I don't hate Battra (in fact I pray that someday he is executed better) but he always seemed exceptionally clumsy to me. He's just a big armored beam-spewing worm, without flexibility or the ability to manipulate anything.

"Alive" and "in perfect shape" aren't the same thing, "sir". Godzilla was obviously not going all out as he did against most of his other Heisei foes, the whole fight I got the impression that he was sparring. And considering how quickly he took out the adult form, which is not only heavier and more mobile but has manipulators and almost as much armor, I saw a distinct difference. I realize that this can be interpreted as "Battra becomes teh suck when he changes form" but that doesn't make any logical sense to me.

[PyrasTerran]

"Alive" and "in perfect shape" aren't the same thing, "sir". Godzilla was obviously not going all out as he did against most of his other Heisei foes, the whole fight I got the impression that he was sparring. And considering how quickly he took out the adult form, which is not only heavier and more mobile but has manipulators and almost as much armor, I saw a distinct difference. I realize that this can be interpreted as "Battra becomes teh suck when he changes form" but that doesn't make any logical sense to me.

Of course it doesn't make any logical sense. I myself wonder why the hell the adult was so prone to damage compared to the larva. However, Heisei Godzilla is not and has never been the kind of kaiju that simply spars. He attacks with intent on destroying, nothing else has shown otherwise.

That, and as you said:

I pray that someday he is executed better

That is the reason right there. All in all, I'll admit, Godzilla vs. Mothra is a pretty slipshod film, and Battra was executed quite poorly. It was a simple movie mistake that Battra appeared so weak in Imago form. To say that Godzilla wasn't trying doesn't make sense because it's not this Godzilla's character or style to slack.

He's just a big armored beam-spewing worm, without flexibility or the ability to manipulate anything.

Technically, he has no beams. They're all bolts, which makes them even harder to counter.

[kent]

I see this at a standstill.

Battra Larvae is pretty good size and can take a beating. His ability to burrow underground can help him evade some attacks.

Megalon has a cranial horn and napalm. Not the most spectacular arsenal but enough to exhaust his opponents. And some people automatically think Battra wins by default because Megalon is a 100% dimwitted kaiju. If he was that dumb, he wouldn't have lasted a whole day and night against Godzilla and Jet Jaguar. Plus he did show flashes of brilliance during that battle. Flight also gives him a slight advantage because, as far as we can tell in the film, Battra cannot look up. And Megalon's drill hands, even used as whacking devices, can still hurt a kaiju massively.

Both kaiju have piss poor beams. So it really comes down to HTH combat. Something in which Battra really can't do. All he can do is take the punishment, fire his beams, and hope the opposing kaiju will back away from him.
I do see this as a tie more than anything else. But as I simulate the battle in my head, I am seeing Megalon being the slight victor in this battle.

[PyrasTerran]

Kent, you're forgetting Battra Larva's energy pulses. He lets it off each time he's near the opponent and it charges his headbutts, as well as keeps opponents from grappling him.

I don't see how Battra would be unable to look up. For one, being an insect means he has multifaceted eyes, meaning he doesn't have to move his head all the time to see what's going on, and he is a caterpillar at that. You've seen how his suit can move its head up and down plenty of times(or you should), there's no evidence to him not being able to look up.

And while drill hands *should* be able to hurt a kaiju massively, Megalon always hits kaiju with the *blunt, flat* side of his drillhands. They're not spiney all around, you know.

And even though "both kaiju have pisspoor beams"(though I would like to know what makes Battra's so pisspoor), Battra Larva was the one who COMPLETELY shrugged off each of Godzilla Heisei's blasts, even so much as to not roar or flinch when attacked, and Megalon is the one who was reeling after being hit by a much weaker beam. It's safe to say battra's 3 beams(which can more than 3 places at once since they're like a storm of bolts) can damage Megalon alot more than Megalon's beam can to him.

[Doc Ock]

People we forgot Battra's other ability-he can swim. Yes, yes Megalon is from Seatopis but hey did I see any ocean or sea, no. Should the battle get anywhere near the sea Battra could drag Megalon in and bombard him with beams.

[PyrasTerran]

psh, if this was a water battle, Battra Larva would totally pwn. He's much faster in the water.

[anguirus55]

Pyras has done a great deal to convince me that Battra not only can win this, but he probably would. I'm man enough to admit it.

[kent]

Originally Posted by PyrasTerran

Kent, you're forgetting Battra Larva's energy pulses. He lets it off each time he's near the opponent and it charges his headbutts, as well as keeps opponents from grappling him.

I don't see how Battra would be unable to look up. For one, being an insect means he has multifaceted eyes, meaning he doesn't have to move his head all the time to see what's going on, and he is a caterpillar at that. You've seen how his suit can move its head up and down plenty of times(or you should), there's no evidence to him not being able to look up.

And while drill hands *should* be able to hurt a kaiju massively, Megalon always hits kaiju with the *blunt, flat* side of his drillhands. They're not spiney all around, you know.

And even though "both kaiju have pisspoor beams"(though I would like to know what makes Battra's so pisspoor), Battra Larva was the one who COMPLETELY shrugged off each of Godzilla Heisei's blasts, even so much as to not roar or flinch when attacked, and Megalon is the one who was reeling after being hit by a much weaker beam. It's safe to say battra's 3 beams(which can more than 3 places at once since they're like a storm of bolts) can damage Megalon alot more than Megalon's beam can to him.

First off, Battras eyes don't look up nor are they situated in any way to look up. And just because the suit can move up and down when he is swimming, does not mean he can look up. If you watch the film, his eyes don't go any higher than his normal eye level.
Plus if I remember correctly, didn't Godzilla use his beam against Battra while underwater? If that's the case, the beam would not be as powerful due to all the surround water diluting the beam somewhat. And where is the evidence to suggest Showa Godzilla's beam is much weaker than that of Heisei Godzilla's? For all we know, they could be the same strength. The only time Megs got his by the beam directly was when Godzilla and JJ got out of the fire ring and he blasted the feet of Gigan and Megs. Any kaiju would be reeling if their feet got struck by such a beam.
And this pulse ain't gonna do squat anyways. Megalon doesn't have hands so he cannot grapple Battra anyways.
And Battras rays are pisspoor. What damage did they even do to Godzilla when he fought him?