Nintendo DS vs. Sony PSP

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by Saruman

if the UMD's hold so much more information than regular gaming CD's do now, then wouldn't this be something to make use of for the PS3?

Just wanted to let you know that CD's aren't used anymore for the newest consoles, they use DVDs, which can hold upward of 17gigs of info (Dual-layered).

[PyrasTerran]

Saruman's right: As much as I love the DS, the PSP's design kicks royal ***. It's not too big and it's FAR from clunky, even having a neat cover for the top to protect the screen.

[RexRaptor]

Bah, this is Sony's FIRST handheld, nintendo has been makeing them before they released the NES. The DS will sell like HOTCAKES.

[kent]

This is something that Nintendo cant really do because they refuse to move away from the cartridge system and we all saw what disater that resulted in with the N64, its scary just thinking about it.

It's been said been said before Saruman that cartridges don't take as much time to load plus it uses less battery power to read the cartridges. Cartridges are still the best thing for handheld gaming systems. And people don't seem to mind that. The GBA is the top selling system right now. Not to mention, as we speak, Nintendo already has 120 games in development.
And what disaster are you talking about with the N64? The N64 was a big seller. Heck if I remember correctly, it sold better than the PS.
The DS, like Rado-Goji said, in the long run will sell better than the PSP. People more or less are just going to be curious about Sony's handheld system. Personally, for the long haul, I think the DS is a better buy.

[Saruman]

Originally Posted by kent

It's been said been said before Saruman that cartridges don't take as much time to load plus it uses less battery power to read the cartridges. Cartridges are still the best thing for handheld gaming systems. And people don't seem to mind that.

It's hard to mind something when you dont have another viable option. Now that Nintendo is going to have a competitor that can match up to it and has the backing to put pressure on them, we will see just what exactly happens.

The GBA is the top selling system right now. Not to mention, as we speak, Nintendo already has 120 games in development.

See above. When you basically have one choice for a handheld system then that's what people are going to buy. It's not hard to be the best selling handheld system when your best competitor is someone completely new to the entire industry. Again though this is something that doesn't hamper Sony. Oh and don't worry about the number of games the PSP will have at launch, it will have a very sizeable library of games to choose from. I saw a partial list of the Japanes release titles and it was well over 50 games, and that was only a partial list.

And what disaster are you talking about with the N64? The N64 was a big seller. Heck if I remember correctly, it sold better than the PS.

ROFL, OMG you are seriously joking right? Tell me that you are not serious because the PS is the best selling console system of all time. The N64 isn't even in the realm of being close to it. Hell the N64 is Nintendos worst system ever made by a very large margin. Thanks for the good laugh thoug.

The DS, like Rado-Goji said, in the long run will sell better than the PSP. People more or less are just going to be curious about Sony's handheld system. Personally, for the long haul, I think the DS is a better buy.

Right, just like the GC sold better in the long run? Just like the N64 sold better in the long run? Gee Sony has crushed Nintendo soundly twice now and if it wasnt for the fact that Nintendo was the only player in the handheld market theymight have folded already. The only thing keeping them above water is the GBA/SP sales. Their last two console systems have been horrible and were completely crushed by the competition. Sorry but the PSP isn't going to be going away and once people are able to see both in action, I think there going to go with the system that has the graphics, game size and versitality that the PSP is going to offer. The DS graphics are very unimpressive, most people can't stand cartridges and the stylus/touch screen isn't anything thats impressive and it's a technology with allot of flaws and problems, just ask anyone that has a PDA that uses them.

[RexRaptor]

God...what have graphics done to us. GRAPHICS DONT MEAN A RAT'S ***! There just pretty to look at, hell, STILL the top selling game EVER is the original Super Mario Bros. No game has even come close. And Nintendo is re-makeing the classic, you cant beat Nintendo in Hand-helds..face it, Sony is going to lose alot of money on this.

[RadoGoji]

I can't predict the future here, but just because Sony is making something, doesn't automatically mean that it's going to be better. Just because the console sales aren't going that well in America for Nintendo, doesn't mean that it's going to happen in handhelds. In fact, handheld wise, Nintendo has destroyed its competition. Game Gear died after a while, and that was GB's best competition. What have we seen over the times? Game.com (betcha 90% of you haven't even heard of that), Neo-Geo Pocket Color, N-Gage, the only one of those still around is N-Gage, and they're not doing too well. You may not remember, but Sony had attempted handhelds before in Japan, with a Pocket Playstation thingy, but that didn't even do well enough to make it here. Now, this may not say much about the PSP. In fact, from what I have seen, it is a very good looking piece of equipment, and does have some impressive qualities, but I think that it will do like the Game Gear and die out eventually.

Besides, one of the things that will make the PSP sell, like I said before, is the extra stuff. The way I see it, DS is a game system, and PSP is a multi-purpose system, like a PC. PSP boasts that it will be able to play DVDs and mp3s, and stuff like that, but people, I'm a gamer. If I want to watch a DVD, I'll just put it in a DVD player. If I'm on the road, I can use my laptop, instead of having to buy a new game system, and a PSP mini-disc version of the movie that I want to watch. If I want to hear mp3s, I'll burn them to a CD and listen to them in my CD player. If I want to play a game, THEN I'll use the system, but in that case, for most, this means that those other multimedia features will just sit there for the most part. (Just for the record, another handheld game system boasts multimedia capabilities. I wonder how that's doing...)

DS is NOT replacing the GBA, rather, DS is going to be a third franchise. I really don't see how this helps, especially since the DS can also play GBA games.

N64 was in no way a failure or a disaster. N64 was widely popular, as was the PS, but PS fanboys just like to say that N64 did bad to make PS look better. In fact, I for one have both a PS and an N64 and still play both. Some of the best games ever came out for N64. I don't see in anyway how N64 was a failure or a disaster.

Basically, this whole competition is sparked by fanboys. I, for one, am not a fanboy. I like Gamecube, PS2, PS, N64, and GBA (I only played Xbox once, so I really don't have much of an opinion on that). I'm probably going to buy DS, but will just play PSP and not really buy it. Both look good, but I'm going with the DS on this one. Despite what PS2 or Xbox fanboys may say, Nintendo isn't going anywhere, and to those fanboys, I say, "Get over it."

[RexRaptor]

Finaly, another person that likes Nintendo! Look, Sarumon, i dont care how you put it, the PSP is going to be a major battery drainer. And it will cost more for thows useless features. DS will be devoted to Gameing period. And, the cartrigeges, being cheaper, wont tax out power. Im betting your going to need atleast 4 double-A batteries to power the PSP, and it will only last an hour. Like Rado said, if i want to listen to music, i burn CDs and listen to them in SUROUND SOUND in my car, thows little speakers arnt going to provide much music quality. And if i want to see a movie-on-the-go, i pop-in a DVD in my car. Trust me, the PSP will cost more, use more batteries, lower game-time, and will just be a nuicence to use.

Originally Posted by Sauron

Just wanted to let you know that CD's aren't used anymore for the newest consoles, they use DVDs, which can hold upward of 17gigs of info (Dual-layered).

Going off topic, but PS3 will utilize something called Blue-ray discs, which are similar to DVDs but hold about 27GB if I remember correctly. They also plan to make these discs dual, and QUADRUPLE layered.

[RexRaptor]

Originally Posted by Project Pimp

Going off topic, but PS3 will utilize something called Blue-ray discs, which are similar to DVDs but hold about 27GB if I remember correctly. They also plan to make these discs dual, and QUADRUPLE layered.

You see, Sony has this " Thing " Were they exacadurate the truth just a TINY bit...they said the PS2 could push 100 MILLOIN POLYGONS. Turns out, only 10 Million, and there saying the PSP can turn out...30MILLION FREAGIN POLYGONS. So yea...the PSP is probaly going to only be able to turn out 6 million, while i think the DS can turn out 8 milloin because thows 2 screnes can hold more powerful video cards.

[Cosmos]

About the misinformation about the PS2's system specs, alot of that has to do with the akward programing architecture of the ps2. The PS2 could, by all means, excel graphically as boasted if you have the time and money that Blizzard has, unfortunatly few software companies do.
The folly of poor distribution of Software development kits for third party developers at the time of the PS2's release is a mistake I wouldn't expect them to make twice especially on entering a new risk market like handhelds.

as for the the DS, I have only two words.... Virtual boy.


...which I remember was also the third fronteir of gaming.

[Saruman]

Originally Posted by RexRaptor

You see, Sony has this " Thing " Were they exacadurate the truth just a TINY bit...they said the PS2 could push 100 MILLOIN POLYGONS. Turns out, only 10 Million, and there saying the PSP can turn out...30MILLION FREAGIN POLYGONS. So yea...the PSP is probaly going to only be able to turn out 6 million, while i think the DS can turn out 8 milloin because thows 2 screnes can hold more powerful video cards.

Rex you need to learn to read the reports from things like E3 and the major gaming magazines. The PSP is more powerful than the PS2 as it can push more polygons than the PS2, one of the reasons for that is the smaller screen, but in this case that smaller screen is helping the system graphically. But technology has advanced quite a bit since the PS2 came out and developers are now starting to fully understand the programming language that the PS2 uses, which is why the games for it are looking better and better every day.

Graphically the PSP simply blows the DS out of the water. Every report that came out of E3 confirmed that. Sorry but you can think what you want, but the DS isn't even close to the PSP on graphics. I'll have to see if I can find the stats someone did on a gaming message board the compared the two systems and shows just how much more powerful the PSP is compared to the DS, its quite enlightening.

[Saruman]

Originally Posted by Shadow

I, for one, plan to wait for them to come out and get some specific information, and actual performance reviews, before I make the decision of which one I want.

That way I can make a informed decision on which one would be good for me and my playing style.

Good idea Shadow, it's also good to wait about 6 months before buying a new system because most bugs that a system has are found and fixed within that time frame and a updated version of the system is released.

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by godofPH

Why do people care so much about what the magazines say. I'm just gonna see how they perform myself. I'll get a DS for christmas. I might try to get a PSP some time later. I'll just see how they perform.

Because, possibly, people don't want to spend upwards to five or six hundred dollars for two systems and games, and then find out that you don't like one.

If you read articles on them, and performance reviews, then you can gather more information, learn about thier pros and cons, and match them up according to what you desire in a system.

[Baryonyx13]

Originally Posted by Shadow

Because, possibly, people don't want to spend upwards to five or six hundred dollars for two systems and games, and then find out that you don't like one.

If you read articles on them, and performance reviews, then you can gather more information, learn about thier pros and cons, and match them up according to what you desire in a system.

The only one I've read so far (from Computer Gaming Magazine, I think) was a head to head review, and it said PSP was better. But we'll see. Maybe people can post some head to head reviews on this thread?

[godofPH]

I will as soon as I get my DS. Which will be in a few months but thats OK. I'll post a review of it. I hate to say it,but In the end I think the PSP will win. Because theres all those people that would never touch a nintendo system but would spend 500$ on a sony system, and because Even if the PSP doesn't go over well, Sony can keep spending money on it because they make every thing in the electronics aisle. Or Sony might spend so much money on the PSP that they go outta buisiness.

[Baryonyx13]

Haha I hope that was a joke, no way PSP could Sony out of business. They basically own the world elctronics market. Or at least they seem to.

[Baryonyx13]

Yeah just cause you don't like Playstaion doesn't mean that Sony should go bankrupt, they are a media giant that makes some great things. If anything (and this is not to bash them or their fans) Nintendo is more likely to go bacnkrupt.

[Burkion]

Okay, look. PS PS2 PS3 PSWHAT EVER are the new kids on the block. They still have to be tested, and put through triles. WHILE good ol Nintendoe is tried and true. They stick to things their best at. Also, by no means is GC or N64 failers. I beat you that when they come out with a modifyed virsion of GC, it will rivel that of PS3.

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by PyrasTerran

You mean like Virtual Boy?

The Virtual Boy failed because it was way to ahead of it's time and narrow minded people could not appreciate it...*Shadow instantaniously bursts into flame and is trampled upon by an angry chicken*

I never played the VB, but apparently I was lucky not to...all it looked like was a buch of red lines.

[godofPH]

All I know about the virtual boy is that it had a lot of red and it had bad timing. Maybe one day,there will just be one console,one handheld. Wouldn't that be nice? But it will probably NEVER happen. Heres how the rumble will probably go. Nintendo will go bankrupt and will be bought out by Microsoft. Then a HUGE *** WAR will erupt between whatever the systems are then.

[PyrasTerran]

Folks, it wasn't just bad timing. The thing actually gave people nausia.

[Baryonyx13]

Originally Posted by Baryonyx13

The only one I've read so far (from Computer Gaming Magazine, I think) was a head to head review, and it said PSP was better. But we'll see. Maybe people can post some head to head reviews on this thread?

Whoops, I mean Electronic Gaming Magazine.

[PyrasTerran]

Why is Microsoft here? Are they trying to break out in the handheld biz??

[Saruman]

Originally Posted by wiz

not that I know of. And as far as who's better, nintendo kicks sony's butt! (like rexraptor said)

That's funny since even if you combined the sales of all of Nintendo's console systems they still wouldn't add up to what the PS1 & PS2 have done together. Hell they might not even add up to what the PS1 sold all on its own.