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December 26th, 2004, 10:34 PM
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Showa X Heisei X Millennium - Popular Kaiju Deathmatch
Team SHOWA:
Godzilla (70s)
Rodan (1956)
Mothra (Showa)
King Ghidorah (Zonefighter)
Mechagodzilla (1975)
Team HEISEI:
Godzilla ('91 - '93)
Fire Rodan
Mothra (Heisei)
King Ghidorah (Heisei)
Super Mechagodzilla
Team MILLENNIUM:
Godzilla (G2k)
Rodan (GFW)
Mothra (GMMG)
King Ghidorah (GMK)
Mechagodzilla (Kiryu 2)
Arena: Mt. Fuji
RULES (please read): All kaiju have been increased/decreased to the height/length of their showa counterparts. Heisei Godzilla is the one that appeared from 1991 to 1993. This is before he was given a power boost by Rodan, and so he cannot use his Spiral Beam.
Let the battle begin....
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December 26th, 2004, 10:43 PM
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Re: Showa X Heisei X Millennium - Popular Kaiju Deathmatch
Team Heisei wins this.
They have the most powerful from each series besides King Ghidorah. Godzilla 91-93 can take either Showa or 2000 Goji. Fire Rodan can easily take down Showa Rodan, along with GFW who is bassicly GFW Rodan. Mothra can take down Showa Mothra along with GMM, sence her beams look more concussive then heat, the explosive powder is void. King Ghidorah may fall from GMK or Showa Ghids, but any of the other Heisei kaiju can deal with him. And Kiryu 2 has no real weapons that can deal with SMG, and SMG is MG '75 along with even more weapons...
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December 26th, 2004, 10:46 PM
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Re: Showa X Heisei X Millennium - Popular Kaiju Deathmatch
Heisi should win yes, but I'm curious, is the 70's Goji Shoshingecki Goji or Megaro Goji?
I know I'm nit-picky on that 
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December 26th, 2004, 10:54 PM
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Re: Showa X Heisei X Millennium - Popular Kaiju Deathmatch
Team Heisei is in the forefront for me but I am just curious about GFW Rodan. I may not make a final decision until I see what he can do. Until then, Heisei is my pick.
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December 26th, 2004, 11:13 PM
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Re: Showa X Heisei X Millennium - Popular Kaiju Deathmatch
Actually, after going over this again, I'm not saying Team Heisi wins it just yet. I gotta do some investigating before I chose a winner now...
Dang this is a good fight...
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December 28th, 2004, 02:17 AM
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Team Heisei wins this.
They have the most powerful from each series besides King Ghidorah. Godzilla 91-93 can take either Showa or 2000 Goji. Fire Rodan can easily take down Showa Rodan, along with GFW who is bassicly GFW Rodan. Mothra can take down Showa Mothra along with GMM, sence her beams look more concussive then heat, the explosive powder is void. King Ghidorah may fall from GMK or Showa Ghids, but any of the other Heisei kaiju can deal with him. And Kiryu 2 has no real weapons that can deal with SMG, and SMG is MG '75 along with even more weapons...
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Your seriously underestimating the other kaiju in this fight. Just because Heisei Mothra and Rodan have beams doesn't mean they can beat the other versions of themselves. GMM Mothra is faster and way more agile than Heisei Mothra, Showa Rodan took little to no damage from any beam weapon, and GFW Rodan can fly at supersonic speeds through buildings, now tell me that isn't impressive, because the only other kaiju agile, fast, and crazy enough to ever do that was Megaguirus. Heisei Ghidorah isn't that weak of an opponent either. If it hadn't been for the sudden loss of control over him and the nuclear pulse, he may well have put an end to Godzilla's short reign right then and there. SMG also suffers from a severe case of immobility, which will leave him standing there firing blindly while Showa MG and Kiryu run circles around him....
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December 28th, 2004, 03:38 AM
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I don't know much of the specifics about Final Wars Rodan, so I won't discuss Rodan as part of the fight.
Godzilla
This is a good fight. G2K's got the Beam Strength, Heisei's got regeneration and his Nuclear Pulse, and Showa's got the experience. If this fight stays at a distance, G2K wins easily. If if goes into melee, then it's a toss-up between Heisei and Showa. Showa's battle experience could overtake Heisei's regeneration, but if Heisei's Nuclear Pulse can hurt Showa, then Heisei would take it. (Showa: 0. Heisei: 0. Millenium: 0.)
Mothra
Toss out the Showa right now. She's old and dying. GMMG is a younger, more active version of Showa. Heisei's advantage is her beams though she can hold her own in a Mothra melee. GMMG has an agility advantage, but I think Heisei wins this fight. (Showa: 0. Heisei: 1. Millenium: 0.)
King Ghidorah
Now, this isn't Showa King Ghidorah. This is Zonefighter King Ghidorah and is more powerful than Showa King Ghidorah. He can take a licking and keep on killing. Plus, he can combine his three rays into a Super Ray. Heisei and GMK are tough and can handle a melee, but they only have average beams. Throw in gravity manipulation powers and Zonefighter G will mop the floor with his counterparts. (Showa: 1. Heisei: 1. Millenium: 0.)
Mechagodzilla
This will be bloody. Heisei's got some impressive firepower, but he's useless up close. Showa and Kiryu combined can match Heisei's firepower and are better able to defend against Heisei's attacks. Showa's got his shield and Kiryu is an expert dodger. Once it comes down to Kiryu and Showa, KIryu's gonna take it. He can dodge anything Showa throws at him, plus he has ways around Showa's shield. (Showa: 1. Heisei: 1. Millenium: 1.)
Since that would leave the fight a tie, it comes down to Heisei Mothra, Zonefighter King Ghidorah, and Kiryu.
It would take quite the barrage to beat Zonefighter King G. If Kiryu fired everything he had, Triple Hyper Maser included, and Mothra used her beams and some of that reflective powder, they could take Zonefighter King G down. Kiryu could probobly do it on his own if he had to, but Mothra would be doomed on her own. All things considered, I think Kiryu would win his team the fight.
Millenium Team wins, but it's close.
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December 28th, 2004, 10:19 AM
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Showa Rodan took little to no damage from any beam weapon,
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Can we have enough of this? He took Goji's white spray, one of the weakest beams out there fine, there's nothing super impressive in that at all. And his skin was burned up just as much as Goji's was from Ghidrah's bolts in Monster Zero
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December 28th, 2004, 01:40 PM
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Re: Showa X Heisei X Millennium - Popular Kaiju Deathmatch
Could you show me where the skin was burned? I haven't actually watched GTTHM in a while, so I need some help here.... But I own Rodan '56, and Rodan managed to impress me there. Not to mention that he survived that Magma.......
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Toss out the Showa right now. She's old and dying. GMMG is a younger, more active version of Showa. Heisei's advantage is her beams though she can hold her own in a Mothra melee. GMMG has an agility advantage, but I think Heisei wins this fight. (Showa: 0. Heisei: 1. Millenium: 0.)
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Should've specified this, Showa Mothra isn't old and dying. Hell, lets just go ahead and say she is the Mothra from Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster.
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December 28th, 2004, 02:08 PM
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Re: Showa X Heisei X Millennium - Popular Kaiju Deathmatch
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Could you show me where the skin was burned? I haven't actually watched GTTHM in a while, so I need some help here.... But I own Rodan '56, and Rodan managed to impress me there. Not to mention that he survived that Magma.......
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A bunch of Kaiju have survived magma
Just watch the final fight in Monster Zero, there's several parts where Ghidrah blasts Rodan and he's burned
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December 28th, 2004, 03:44 PM
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Can we have enough of this? He took Goji's white spray, one of the weakest beams out there fine.
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Care to back that statement up with some evidence that hasn't already been shot down by myself or Anguirus55?
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December 28th, 2004, 04:14 PM
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Shot down? If that's what you consider it...
The white spray could not even burn Mothra's face. Now, it did burn her wing a bit, yes, but the fact that it couldn't even singe the hairs on her head is pathetic. Even more, it hit Angilas right in the face, which his eyes open, and all he did was shake his head again, didn't even make a growl through it. And don't gimme any crap like "Angilas loves fire!!" because there's no evidence to that whatsoever
And are forgetting also how it barely set jets and planes aflame? Yes, barely. It creates a fire about a big as a human on them, hell, they even fly through the spray many times in GRA and are barely set on fire
If it can't even set an old-fashioned jet completely on fire it's weak as hell, and it is
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December 28th, 2004, 05:47 PM
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Hmm, you do realize that this is 70s Godzilla, don't you? This is the Godzilla who's beam managed to lift him off the damn ground. And 60s Godzilla's beam caused tanks and ROCK to MELT. Ever consider that maybe he has the ability to change the power of his beam every time he uses it?
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December 28th, 2004, 06:19 PM
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....what are you trying to say? o_o;;
I know this is 70's Goji, I've known that, I'm explaining though how the white fire spray of Goji's is weak
And I take it you mean Shoshingecki Goji for this fight and not Megaro Goji?
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And besides, many of the Showa Godzillas are different from each other in beam power, heck even personality, physical combat skills and speed. The idea that he can change the power of his beam is nothing more than a guess, though my idea that some are just weaker than others has actually be researched and studied upon.
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And it's still irrelevant for this fight. We're not discussing Goji's beam power, we were talking about Rodan. He's not beam resistent, no where near it, and I used as evidence that the white spray of Shodai, Gyakushu and Mosu Goji is a very weak weapon.
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December 28th, 2004, 10:43 PM
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....what are you trying to say? o_o;;
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What I'm trying to say is that you are underestimating the power of Showa Godzilla's beam. In general.
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I know this is 70's Goji, I've known that, I'm explaining though how the white fire spray of Goji's is weak
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And when in the 70s, Shosingecki or Megaro included, does Godzilla use the "white spray"? That type of beam is last seen in GvsMothra, I beleive.
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And I take it you mean Shoshingecki Goji for this fight and not Megaro Goji?
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Sorry, forgot to clarify here. It is Megaro Goji. To be specific, after he is magnetically charged (forgot that this was a power given to him rather than something he already had....).
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And besides, many of the Showa Godzillas are different from each other in beam power, heck even personality, physical combat skills and speed. The idea that he can change the power of his beam is nothing more than a guess, though my idea that some are just weaker than others has actually be researched and studied upon.
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Well, its all the same monster, so it has to be explained somehow.
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And it's still irrelevant for this fight. We're not discussing Goji's beam power, we were talking about Rodan. He's not beam resistent, no where near it, and I used as evidence that the white spray of Shodai, Gyakushu and Mosu Goji is a very weak weapon
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.... Even though at least Mosu-Goji's beam melted tanks and rocks?
And Rodan survived the beam from the same "version" of Showa Godzilla that melted said tanks and rocks.
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December 28th, 2004, 10:50 PM
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What I'm trying to say is that you are underestimating the power of Showa Godzilla's beam. In general.
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Most of the Showa Goji's beams are weaker, Megaro Goji is really the only one with a powerful beam
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And when in the 70s, Shosingecki or Megaro included, does Godzilla use the "white spray"? That type of beam is last seen in GvsMothra, I beleive.
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No, it's what Goji stupidly uses to fight Rodan in Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster
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Sorry, forgot to clarify here. It is Megaro Goji. To be specific, after he is magnetically charged (forgot that this was a power given to him rather than something he already had....).
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Oh, the very nasty Megaro Goji. Hmm...that Godzilla fight just got very interesting...
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Well, its all the same monster, so it has to be explained somehow.
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Same monster yes, but there's obvious differences. My idea, Goji grew in power over time
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And Rodan survived the beam from the same "version," if you will, of Showa Godzilla that melted said tanks and rocks.
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Remember though, beams can have different effects on Kaiju than it does on man-made or natural structures
But what goes more to what you said, if we look at it, Mosu Goji uses his beam like an actual beam. King Goji in Godzilla vs. King Kong used the true beam, Mosu Goji uses it in a beam form, but what seems to be a mix of the blue beam and the white fire. In Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster, it's completely the white spray on Rodan. My idea is that Mosu Goji used a mixture of the beam types, still having it weaker, but in Ghidrah, it was even weaker because Goji simply used the white spray only, which I've shown why it's so weak
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December 29th, 2004, 11:15 PM
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Most of the Showa Goji's beams are weaker, Megaro Goji is really the only one with a powerful beam
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True enough, though that still doesn't change the fact that Mosu-Goji's was hot enough to almost instantly melt rocks and tanks. Not to mention that Soshingeki's managed to lift him off the ground... Though I suppose that could be thrown into the same heap that contains Gira-goji's Black Hole Mover and GMK-Goji's Mushroom Cloud Creator....
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No, it's what Goji stupidly uses to fight Rodan in Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster
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Ah, well, like I said, I don't have access to Ghidrah (or MZ, for that matter), so I can't argue with you there....
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Oh, the very nasty Megaro Goji. Hmm...that Godzilla fight just got very interesting...
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Hmm, it'd be fun if he had a nuclear pulse of some sort, sending all three MG's blasting into his opponents, heheheh.
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Same monster yes, but there's obvious differences. My idea, Goji grew in power over time
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Probably true, but remember that DAM occurs in 1999, and Godzilla was no more powerful than he was in the last few 60s movies... Of course, by '99, I guess all the power from the 70s would have worn off.... IE: He stopped taking the happy pills.
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True, but Rodan just seems more heat resistant. Like I said before, he managed to survive lava, which is something only Death Ghidorah, Heisei Godzilla, and Battra have credit for (in my memory, at least...).
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But what goes more to what you said, if we look at it, Mosu Goji uses his beam like an actual beam. King Goji in Godzilla vs. King Kong used the true beam, Mosu Goji uses it in a beam form, but what seems to be a mix of the blue beam and the white fire. In Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster, it's completely the white spray on Rodan. My idea is that Mosu Goji used a mixture of the beam types, still having it weaker, but in Ghidrah, it was even weaker because Goji simply used the white spray only, which I've shown why it's so weak
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Fine fine, I see your point, we shouldn't even be discussing about any Godzilla pre-Megaro anyway.
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