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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Default Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--

Guess what, I abstain again! Hooray! Jet Jaguar kills Manda, Irys destroys Jet Jaguar, and the finale is between him and Destroyah, I see them killing each other.
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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he pulled out the small organ pouch that Ayana was in as well as a shiteload of entrails and other juicy bits.
A "shitload" of entrails that all fits in Gamera's palm? Geez, Iris must have one tiny digestive system. In fact, human entrails are meters long, and would be larger than that on Gamera's fist.

Also, if Iris has suddenly been deprived of a digestive system, one has to wonder where all the blood he sucked out of Gamera went.
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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A "shitload" of entrails that all fits in Gamera's palm? Geez, Iris must have one tiny digestive system. In fact, human entrails are meters long, and would be larger than that on Gamera's fist.
First of all, I meant to say shite, if you didn't know I like the way it's pronounced.

Secondly, this is why your look on it is flawed; you're only looking at what Gamera had in his hand. Alot more spilled down to the floor. Gamera only went for the organ that housed Ayana, but in ripping it out he took the rest of several more innards out with him.

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Also, if Iris has suddenly been deprived of a digestive system, one has to wonder where all the blood he sucked out of Gamera went.
What is there to wonder? Irys took the energy and transfered it into his tentacles.

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Well, okay. Iris' sonic cutter could slice through Destroyah easily.
Too bad he won't be using it right away when he battles Destroyah.
Why not? In these fights opponents are out to kill each other. Irys was never out to kill Gamera when they first fought. Like Saruman said, he was only inching his way towards Ayana.

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Destroyah needs some space and the ability to bend over to use his Horn attack.
An excellent point that I was never able to get across in the last debate..
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Default Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--

One other thing about the Horn Katana. There is not a chance it is going to touch one of Irys's tentacles. Those things move with blinding speed and Destroyah isn't very quick with the Horn attack.
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Why not? In these fights opponents are out to kill each other. Irys was never out to kill Gamera when they first fought. Like Saruman said, he was only inching his way towards Ayana.
So thrusting a blade through someone's chest tells you Irys wasn't trying to kill Gamera?

This argument is decrepit and only leads to speculation. What argument do I speak of? The whole, "Irys was never trying to kill Gamera, he was only trying to reach Ayana - [Which is true, mind you] - so if Irys wanted to kill Gamera, he'd do exactly how I'd theorize it. That's basically what you all are saying.

Point is, none of you know how Irys would truly react against anyone if he wanted to kill them. Since his intention was reaching Ayana and fusing with her, we don't know the length of his fighting strategies, if any. But that doesn't mean we can't uncover one helpful hint:

When Gamera was in Irys' way, what did Ayana command for Irys to do? "KILL HIM!" - what did Irys do? THRUST a blade through Gamera's abdomen! So yes, Irys did try to kill Gamera and in his attempt, Irys didn't try to absorb Gamera's life force (he only uses that on two occastions: 1) To feed and 2) When put in a corner, in my eyes, it is used in combat only when things are desperate).

So what can we theorize on how Irys would fight? He'd use his spears, definately. What else? Well, judging from his strategy in the aerial battle, Irys would use his sonic beams.

Ayana is connected with Irys. Ayana shared a deep hatred for Gamera. Do the math, it may not be official, but in these fantasy battles, we take the most logical step in determining what a monster would do to another they've never fought with before. By seeing the creature that Ayana hated, and being connected with her, there's no reason to doubt that Irys wanted Gamera dead as well. So what did he try to do in their conflicts? Yes, he tried to get away from Gamera and fuse with Ayana. But how was he trying to do this?

The answer: Killing Gamera.

By attempting to get Gamera out of his way and goal, Irys deployed his fighting strategy that I bet he'd use if he came to kill Gamera in the first place.

With that said, I'll watch the two movies involving these powerhouses, and come back with my own explanation on who'd win this fight. Originally, I leaned towards Destroyah. At the moment, I still do. But not everything is set in stone, and there might be something new to find.

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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Default Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--

I'm abstaining. Manda and Jet Jaguar are hash, after which we come to the showdown of the two most overrated kaiju villains in film history. My bias makes me incapable of posting a reasonable theory.
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Flawed reasoning. Irys wasn't there to fight Gamera, he was there to get Ayana.
Well that's certainly true, but that doesn't explain to me why Iris didn't wipe out Gamera in the first place. He was a threat to Iris, wasn't he? If I were Iris, I would have just got rid of Gamera, who would be in the way, then get Ayana.

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Destroyah needs some space and the ability to bend over to use his Horn attack.
Ouch.... that's a really bad thing for Destroyah... but if Destroyah realizes his disadvantage, he could blast Iris back a bit. Maybe.

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I wouldn't say that, he used them when necessary and we saw how effective they are by cutting through Gameras shell. They won't have any problem cutting through Destroyah.
I still can't understand why he didn't just use them on Gamera in Kyoto. Regardless of Ayana, I would think he would use them on him. He let Gamera charge into him without getting a nice free hit on him. (I'm assuming Gamera charged him that is, it was cut to them fighting)

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It's not an easy fight to figure out simply because there are so many unanswered questions about both kaiju. Destroyahs MO spray seems pretty useless, it did nothing but knock Godzilla down a couple times.
Taking Heisei Godzilla down a couple of times is actually pretty impressive if you ask me... Also, what if Iris was knocked down, it wouldn't be easy to get back up. Remember, when the platoon attacked Iris in the forest, it took him awhile to take flight and get away. The way this creature's body, I can't imagine a way to get back up without doing his process of flight. This situation could be bad for Iris.
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Default Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--

Irys wins that match-up. The thing is, most people say that the draining would only affect a small amount of microbs. That's not true.

When Destroyah is in "adult" form, if she is drained, it would only attack one being. When she is in that form, yes she is made up of microbs, but does she have millions of mouths? Or brains? Or life source?
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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So thrusting a blade through someone's chest tells you Irys wasn't trying to kill Gamera?
I never said that Tom, I said he wasn't out to kill Gamera, there's a difference. If it was possible, he would have walked past him and kept going towards Ayana.

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we come to the showdown of the two most overrated kaiju villains in film history. My bias makes me incapable of posting a reasonable theory.
Lol, Idunno, I usually find MG'74 and SpaceGodzilla to be the most overrated villians.

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Well that's certainly true, but that doesn't explain to me why Iris didn't wipe out Gamera in the first place. He was a threat to Iris, wasn't he? If I were Iris, I would have just got rid of Gamera, who would be in the way, then get Ayana.

I still can't understand why he didn't just use them on Gamera in Kyoto. Regardless of Ayana, I would think he would use them on him. He let Gamera charge into him without getting a nice free hit on him. (I'm assuming Gamera charged him that is, it was cut to them fighting)


I'm going to respond to you the way I did to Husnock.

The reason for this piece is a combination of Irys' arrogance, and Irys' focus on his mission. 'Folks must not realize exactly how important Ayana must have meant to Irys, almost like he loved her(and, in a sense, he did). This new power he could have achieved meant the world to him, and possibly already knowing he was quite capable of defeating Gamera(It was only through a series of circumstances that Gamera defeated Irys. Irys outclassed him in strength, speed, and power), it cannot entirely be put against him for never finishing off Gamera in the skies. Yes, Irys could pwn Gamera on the ground, but Ayana was that important to him. When something is that important to you, nothing else matters no matter how threatening they seem. At the same time, Irys was not so simple-minded that he *only* focused on Ayana. He was able to kick Gamera's *** *while* reaching Ayana. That shows multi-tasking.

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Taking Heisei Godzilla down a couple of times is actually pretty impressive if you ask me...
That's like saying Orga's beam is one of the most devastating and deadly attacks around because it has the kinetic force the pick Goji off his feet.

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Also, what if Iris was knocked down, it wouldn't be easy to get back up.
It would be very easy thanks to the tentacles.

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Remember, when the platoon attacked Iris in the forest, it took him awhile to take flight and get away.
He wasn't trying to "get away", the platoon didn't bother him enough to threaten him. He was just figuring this is taking forever so instead of marching the whole way to Kyoto, he flew.

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The way this creature's body, I can't imagine a way to get back up without doing his process of flight.
Simple, use the tentacles to upright himself, 2 to anchor him up from one side, and two to push him up from the other. He could even use his tentacles to trip Destroyah. Des would have a much harder time getting up than Irys would.
 

Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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I never said that Tom, I said he wasn't out to kill Gamera, there's a difference.
Oh, my mistake.

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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Well that's certainly true, but that doesn't explain to me why Iris didn't wipe out Gamera in the first place. He was a threat to Iris, wasn't he? If I were Iris, I would have just got rid of Gamera, who would be in the way, then get Ayana.
Well considering how easily Irys was trouncing him I don't think Irys truely considered him a threat at all. It was just "strange luck" that cost Irys the fight.

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Ouch.... that's a really bad thing for Destroyah... but if Destroyah realizes his disadvantage, he could blast Iris back a bit. Maybe.
Maybe, but chances are he would be forced to break down and reform because he has a forearm spur sticking clear through him.

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I still can't understand why he didn't just use them on Gamera in Kyoto. Regardless of Ayana, I would think he would use them on him. He let Gamera charge into him without getting a nice free hit on him. (I'm assuming Gamera charged him that is, it was cut to them fighting)
Well I guess you could look at it from the movie makers point of view. They just got done doing a sequence that had Irys cutting into Gameras shell with his beams. So they showed just how strong they are by doing that. In the city it was time for them to show the physical power that Irys posesses and they did exactly that. You have to show different aspects to the creatures in the limited amount of time given to the film makers, so they need to use that time wisely.

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Taking Heisei Godzilla down a couple of times is actually pretty impressive if you ask me... Also, what if Iris was knocked down, it wouldn't be easy to get back up. Remember, when the platoon attacked Iris in the forest, it took him awhile to take flight and get away. The way this creature's body, I can't imagine a way to get back up without doing his process of flight. This situation could be bad for Iris.
Actually knocking Heisei Goji down isn't all that difficult. He's been knocked down or fallen over on his own more than probably any other Kaiju. It always amazed me that a creature that has the lower body of Heisei Goji, with huge feet, massive thighs and a tail to stabalize him, is consistently knocked down so easily. It's really rather pathetic watching him sometimes because of that.
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Oh, my mistake.
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Hmmmft... my arguments have been blown to pieces.
Although I still don't know about Iris being able to lift himself back up with his tentacles. Those tentacles are really strong if they could get his weight up. They did do incredible stuff though, like moving at great speed and blocking G's fireballs....

Maybe Jet Jaguar could help Destroyah out a bit.
Like damaging Iris' armor by 00000.1% with his punches....
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Actually, if Iris tries to fight like he did in G3 JJ is somewhat of a threat. He can grapple with Iris and mess him up until he finally gets pissed enough to start beaming him apart. It's not too hard to imagine JJ holding on to a tentacle as Destroyer slices or blasts it off...at this point Iris nails him with the other tentacle, but Iris' literally unparalleled arrogance can work against him like this.
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When Gamera was in Irys' way, what did Ayana command for Irys to do? "KILL HIM!" - what did Irys do? THRUST a blade through Gamera's abdomen! So yes, Irys did try to kill Gamera
Ummm, this is wrong Tom. Ayana doesn't tell Irys to "KILL" gamera, she tells Irys to "DESTROY HIM" - Which if you watch what happens after they fall through the train station and Gamera is laying there, Irys may have figured that he had destroyed Gamera and didn't need to bother with him anymore.

It's a matter of wording, you can destroy an opponent without killing him.
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Ummm, this is wrong Tom. Ayana doesn't tell Irys to "KILL" gamera, she tells Irys to "DESTROY HIM" - Which if you watch what happens after they fall through the train station and Gamera is laying there, Irys may have figured that he had destroyed Gamera and didn't need to bother with him anymore.

It's a matter of wording, you can destroy an opponent without killing him.
My subtitled copy specifically mentioned Ayana saying "Kill" or to be more technical: "Kill him". But I wouldn't be surprised if it was either, since kill and destroy are very similar in meaning.

Besides, if I commanded someone to destroy a giant turtle; I think I'd mean, in English, for them to be 'killed'. After all, Ayana proved in the movie she had a deep animosity towards Gamera. What, with him killing her parents and destroying her life. So I'm leaning towards the whole "kill him" quote and meaning. Since Ayana I'm sure would rather Gamera being killed than just immobile and a gimp.
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Irys wanted Ayana, but it was to fuse with her and use her to become stronger and defeat Gamera.
 

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My subtitled copy specifically mentioned Ayana saying "Kill" or to be more technical: "Kill him". But I wouldn't be surprised if it was either, since kill and destroy are very similar in meaning.

Besides, if I commanded someone to destroy a giant turtle; I think I'd mean, in English, for them to be 'killed'. After all, Ayana proved in the movie she had a deep animosity towards Gamera. What, with him killing her parents and destroying her life. So I'm leaning towards the whole "kill him" quote and meaning.
Yeah I want to check my subbed Japanese copy out, but that can wait for tomorrow. The American release says Destroy, so I had to mention it.

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I don't know, I think she would have liked him to really suffer, more than he did. I know that's what I would have wanted. It's always more fun to make them suffer.
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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The subs on the American release say "Kill!"

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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Considering the "Scaling up" Jet Jaguar and Manda are getting for this fight, Destoroyah's partner is going to prove more useful in battle than Iris'. Manda can do very little to either of his opponents, but I assume he's going to go after JJ, because Destoroyah is obviously the more intimidating of the two. I give that battle about forty-five seconds at most before JJ simply snaps Manda's neck. The robot then goes off to annoy Iris (he can at LEAST do that)...

Now, I'm new to DD, and Kaijuphile in general, so please bear with me...From what I've read, in past tournaments, there have been specific locations where the kaiju have battled each other, with different types of terrain, am I right? If that is the case for this battle, I'd like to know where these two teams are fighting. I shall present my opening arguments after I understand more about the location.
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Unfortunately for you, the arena isn't presented until once the match begins.

However, it is being considered to show the location before the match for the next DD.
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Unfortunately for you, the arena isn't presented until once the match begins.

However, it is being considered to show the location before the match for the next DD.
That's too bad. Oh well.

Winners: Jet Jaguar and Destoroyah.

Reasons: Manda is quickly dispatched by either opposing kaiju, whereas Iris is certainly capable of overcoming Jet Jaguar in battle, I believe he's going to have more trouble than everyone is saying he will.

Iris is a Heisei-era kaiju. While Heisei-era kaiju are usually physically stronger than showa monsters, all of them (ALL of them) lack skill in hand to hand combat. "But Desumaytah," you say, "Iris impaled Gamera and threw him through a wall! WTF R U saying? OMG". Yes, Iris impaled Gamera. SLOOOW-moving Gamera on land was impaled by exactly as SLOOOW-moving on land, but slightly stronger Iris.

Iris' fight in G3's was incredibly uneventful. Push. Impale. Get tackled through a building. Throw opponent through the other side of the building. Stand around. Un-birth ayana. Be gutted by Gamera. Impale Gamera's hand. Make the mistake of not putting the other, free arm-spike through Gamera's brain, or throat, blah blah, die.

Needless to say, neither Gamera nor Iris were exactly geniuses in hand-to hand fighting. Scaled up, Jet Jaguar actually has a good chance of beating the ever-loving piss out of Iris for a while, until that unlucky moment when he's impaled (which may or may not kill him, considering his robotic nature).

Yes, Iris could quite possibly use his sonic cutting lasers to hurt Jet Jaguar, or his tentacles as whips to knock the crap out of him...If he DOESN'T do what he did in his movie, and wait for JJ to get in close before attacking.

Iris' arrogance is absolutely unparralleled in the world of kaiju, perhaps only rivaled by the arrogance of Showa King Ghidorah. He most likely will allow Jet Jaguar to get close, and then he'll suffer because of it.

Of course, I'm getting ahead of myself here, the big fight is supposed to be Iris vs. Destoroyah, right?

In that case, Destoroyah wins. It will be a long, brutal battle, but it will eventually boil down to a war of attrition, and there are very few kaiju who can match the crustacean amalgamation in that regard. Even at long range, with Iris' beams laying into Destoroyah from four directions at once, the area of affect will be so small that the copulation of the microscopic Destoroyah colony may as well be considered in the same light as Godzilla Heisei's regeneration. Throughout all this, Destoroyah is going to be firing his MO ray like there's no tomorrow, and Iris will be worn down, eventually.

Up close, it's a short, but far more brutal battle than at long range. Des may knock Iris over with a few punches, Iris will right himself with his tentacles and impale Des. From here, I see one of three things happening:

1: Des vomits blood, and dislodges Iris through brute strength.

2: Des laser horns Iris and at the very least, that will cause Iris to back off, at the most, Iris will be seriously injured or dead.

3 (This is my absolute favorite): Iris attempts to absorb Destoroyah's energy/lifeforce/fluids. Read on for more information.

While the draining will certainly hurt Destoroyah, I can't see it doing any good for Iris other than that brief moment of pain. If he gets the MO as a weapon, it isn't likely to hurt Destoroyah all that much, I say "if" because it's debatable he'll even effectively absorb it.

Destoroyah's MO doesn't work on the same princibles as Gamera's plasma fireballs; it isn't nearly as energy-based as the Terrapin's weapon. I predict that if Iris goes for the absorbtion process, he will soon be without an arm and several tentacles, due to the chemicals in the microbes' bodies dissolving the mutated Gyaos' flesh as they are taken from the main Destoroyah body.

With the Iris arm dislodged, the little microscopic sexpots get to work and repair the damage in a few minutes at most.

Now, if the fight is taking place in the water, Iris is totally screwed...
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Re: 03. --Jet Jaguar & Destroyah-- VS. --Manda & Irys--
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Assuming both monsters start off at a considerable distance from one another, I’ll use my own debating strategy by taking in what the monsters did in the movie, and observe their fighting habits. Since Irys just stood there and allowed Gamera to attack first, I’ll begin by using Destroyah as my example.


Destroyah Strategy:

-Destroyah would start off by analyzing his foe; in this case that foe would be Irys. After a stare down between the two behemoths, Destroyah unleashes his MO-Ray.

Now, I don’t know if this is just me, but it seems as if Destroyah’s primary weapon is underrated by the masses. Even in its Aggregate Form, Destroyah’s micro-oxygen ray managed to topple Godzilla Junior quite easily. And then it toppled the mighty Godzilla. Now, it has been brought up numerous times that it seems as if Godzilla always falls when struck by a projectile. That isn’t exactly true…

How many times did we see Biollante’s acid sap topple Godzilla on the spot? Never!

How many times did King Ghidorah’s gravity beams topple Godzilla? Never, in fact KG toppled Godzilla with physical force.

Battra Larva’s beam-combo succeeded in making Godzilla only stumble, I recall. The only thing that managed to make Godzilla fall is when he was caught in Mothra’s pollen, being electrocuted, blasted by Battra’s prism beams, sometimes getting struck by Mothra’s antenna beams, and having his own ray tear into his body. After minutes of dealing with this much punishment, Godzilla finally fell; this does not indicate the Big G is ‘weak’.

How many times did MechaGodzilla topple Godzilla? Quite a few times, but let’s look at the arsenal that got the job done. MechaGodzilla’s plasma grenades were powered up by the energy Godzilla’s own ray implemented. This is a ray that literally LIFTED Godzilla off the ground – which by the way, to get more technical, Godzilla was lying on the ground before this happened – now, Godzilla isn’t weak just because MG’s plasma grenades succeeded in such a showcase of strength. Please, point out to me that there is a ray in existence that picked up a 66,000 ton monster. I guarantee there are only a few. Plus, Godzilla was toppled later after his second brain was psychically searched and dispatched by a barrage of MechaGodzilla’s assaults…

…Godzilla isn’t weak for falling to the ground because a machine, which was created to combat Godzilla in the first place mind you, got the job done.

Against SpaceGodzilla, Godzilla did fall a few times to the space monster’s corona beams. Corona beams are dangerous in their own right, projectiles designed for penetration and to inflict damage right away. I’d like to see a physical powerhouse like King Kong take them and not fall once. I don’t consider the monster weak or a pushover for getting toppled by a corona beam.


So what then? Is it a coincidence that Destroyah’s micro-oxygen ray managed to topple Godzilla nearly every time (if not, ALL the time)? Such a weapon is stronger than you originally thought. I bet my bottom dollar Destroyah would be firing his MO-ray at Irys like there’s no tomorrow. Whether Irys falls or not is irrelevant, he’ll be getting doused by an attack that can topple a 60,000 metric-ton behemoth like Godzilla. I think Irys’ armor is stable enough to withstand these bombardments, but what would happen if the ray grazed Irys’ un-armored parts? I predict Irys is going to feel some pricks.

-After sending volleys of his micro-oxygen ray, Destroyah would make an error. He would allow the monster to recuperate and walk up right to him.

If we’re following the basic strategies the monsters used, I predict Destroyah would allow Irys to literally walk up to him. But then, this happened because Destroyah got shot in the cheek by Godzilla’s crimson beam. I’d imagine Irys would’ve punched some holes in Destroyah with his sonic beams. Now, I think Irys is smart enough to see that the sonic beams were effective and making holes in Destroyah would be quite painful. In my opinion, Irys would be leaning to stab Destroyah with his scythe blades. And Destroyah’s strange “let them come to me” strategy would allow that…

-Destroyah now has a blade or two sticking through his body.

This is where Irys has an advantage. Now, I don’t think he is as physically strong as some gives him credit for. Mostly because people say Irys is strong since he pushed Gamera back all the way to the train station. Keep in mind, I bet anyone (monsters that is) could push Gamera back if they were pushing a huge blade in his chest. I mean, if I had a machete and thrusted it through someone’s sternum and out their backside, and that someone happened to be 200 pounds, it doesn’t matter…I could push them back since I have a blade through them.

So I bet Destroyah would be no different. However, there’s no Ayana in the distance for Irys to walk through, so I bet Irys would go all “vampire” on the spawn of the Oxygen Destroyer. Destroyah’s very life force is that of the Oxygen Destroyer. It was mentioned in my subtitled movie that the power Destroyah displayed was not micro-oxygen, but the Oxygen Destroyer! This is a weapon that made the first Godzilla a skeleton, and then reduced that skeleton to nothing.

Irys is sucking that stuff into his body. Not only that, but Irys is also sucking in the bodies of the tiny microbes that make up Destroyah. Now, with their life force gone, the tiny microbes are just life less corpses. But even if I am wrong (which I doubt, but still) and the life force isn’t the Oxygen Destroyer, but micro-oxygen…that is still bad either way. We already saw the destructive tendencies of one microbe. The fish aquarium became a graveyard in a matter of minutes. Taking this stuff into your body is like inviting cancer. The very thing that gives Destroyah life and keeps him going is the very thing that takes life away from other organisms. There’s no proof that Irys will build up immunity, since all we have seen is Irys absorb the DNA of Gamera and show the capability to fire his fireballs. You never saw Irys control Mana or even use Gamera’s “choose to be immune to fire/plasma/mana attacks”.

So until then, as far as I’m concerned, Irys will at least be able to use Destroyah’s micro-oxygen ray (or laser horn, I’m leaning with the former), but that doesn’t mean he’ll be immune to the properties that makes the MO-ray up. After all, for a similar example, let’s look at Godzilla…feeds off atomic energy. In yet his own ray damaged him.

If Irys is smart, he’ll dislodge those blades immediately and cut off the transfer to Destroyah. Let’s assume Irys wants to live and does so…

-Destroyah is damaged, with two holes (assuming Irys used both blades) in his body, and the ones the sonic beams inflicted. What is Destroyah’s strategy?

After sustaining damage from Godzilla, Destroyah sought to scatter and reform good as new. In this situation, I think Destroyah will use that strategy. So Destroyah disappears in a white cloud. Irys is left to deal with the aftermath of sucking up Destroyah’s deadly life force that crawls in his veins. I doubt it would kill Irys, but such inner-wounds I bet won’t be repaired. What happens next? Why, dozens of Destroyah Crabs pop out of the ground! An ambush!

Irys learns the hard way, as these tiny (yet still huge) Destroyah Aggregates swarm his body. I think Irys would pick those little buggers off with his sonic beams and/or the occasional tentacle swat. Just by throwing the critters away, as Godzilla proved, was enough to cause them to scatter and change into their microscopic forms. But rest assured; the Destroyah Aggregates still manage to crawl up Irys’ body. What then? Well these little buggers have a nasty surprise…

You see, they’ll use those mandibles to crunch into Irys’ un-armored body parts. Why didn’t they do that with Godzilla? Well, you sink your teeth into the flesh of a creature whose veins are coursing with HOT atomic power. Destroyah already impaled Godzilla Junior’s chest with those mandibles, I have no doubt these critters will do the same to Irys. What happens next? Well, they inject micro-oxygen into Irys’ body. Note: Junior was unable to heal the wounds that Destroyah inflicted when it bit into him. Since they are the same species (Godzilla and Junior), safe to say Junior has super regeneration as well, in yet didn’t heal the wounds the Destroyah Aggregate inflicted with its mandibles. I’m assuming its insertion of micro-oxygen neglected Junior’s healing factor.

So what’s Irys to do? Can’t sonic beam these things crawling on him, not without hurting himself too. What’s a Mutated Gyaos to do? Well, micro-oxygen is tearing you up inside no doubt; you can’t heal those wounds plaguing your body thanks to the Aggregate mandibles. Your best option is swat them off with your tentacles. After doing that, the Destroyah Crabs vanish and Irys is left with his wounds to reconsider…

…Though I bet that bloody robot, Jet Jaguar, would come in and start beating him around with his fists. One way or another, if JJ gets involved, he’ll get dispatched by Irys; so let’s have JJ get scrapped here.


-Destroyah reforms, no longer hampered by the wounds Irys inflicted before.

Now, I’ve been kind to not bring up the laser horn. It is possible that since Irys never used the sonic beams AT ALL on land, Irys could’ve been slashed on the spot before all this explaining occurred. But let’s say now Destroyah now begins firing his MO at an injured Irys (or should I say a sick Irys?). I estimate Destroyah would get ripped by sonic beams. No matter, the casualties of the microbes that make up his body wouldn’t be astronomical. Irys’ sonic beams are lasers, burning a hole with heat and sound. Godzilla’s spiral blast was a wider range of destruction. So Destroyah will move in close enough…

By then, Irys knows what would happen if he tried to absorb Destroyah’s life force. But that doesn’t mean he can’t stab the giant crustacean. Destroyah wobbles in…Irys gets ready to impale Destroyah. Notice the first time Destroyah slashed Godzilla with the laser horn. Godzilla was walking up and Des bent down and sliced. Nothing stopping Des from walking up, stop and quickly bend down to slice either. Irys’ range for the blades is good in length, but the range between the laser horn and the length of Irys’ blades are about even. But Irys in the movie itself showed he’d prefer to walk right up at point blank and SLICE.

Destroyah didn’t.

So I give Destroyah the best chance of slicing Irys first. So a laser horn rips into Irys’ body. Now are we going exactly how the monsters fought in the movie? Where they hit? How they hit? If so, these fantasy fights are boring. I could say Des slices off Irys’ arm, or if close enough slices Irys’ body in half. Hell, Destroyah can just slant down and slash Irys from the top of his head, and straight down. It would likely be fatal if that happened. Either way, Irys is feeling pain. It is true that the first time Destroyah uses the laser horn, the wound is cauterized. Even Godzilla’s super regeneration didn’t overcome this. And yes, the second time, Destroyah’s laser horn cleanly sliced across his belly and we saw no real injury form as a resort. Either there wasn’t as much power in Destroyah’s laser horn the second time, or G’s regeneration was on or off.


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I don’t think I need to continue. Irys’ sonic beams can’t inflict as much damage that would win his team the match. The Mutated Gyaos cannot absorb Destroyah’s life force without getting critically harmed in the process. Everything Irys does to Destroyah can eventually be repaired…almost immediately. But Destroyah can harm Irys with his MO-beam, injecting MO into Irys’ body, his Oxygen Destroyer life force repelling Irys absorbing it and harming Irys in the process, slashing the Mutated Gyaos with the laser horn, and etc…

There’s more things Destroyah can do to Irys in this match up. Either Irys eventually surrenders by leaving or he’ll die.


Winners: Destroyah and Jet Jaguar
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