Star Wars ***** bootlickers united

[CBright7831]

Look I know alot fans are dying to see whats going to happen with Star Wars Ep 3. Here what I found:
Download the video:
http://www.filmhobbit.com/movierevie...s/swvideo.html

<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>EP3: Leaked Footage Hits the Net</span>
There's plenty for fans to talk about this weekend, as footage shown at the private meeting goes very public. We have received countless reports of this, along with countless links to the video. Earlier this week, the decision makers from Target and the marketing team from #####film played show and tell. Big deals have been made but before the ink could dry hot footage of the event ends up online. Plenty of action from The Duel is revealed, including moments where the two Jedi put their sabers down for a second and use the fists and feet.

The montage is set to AC/DC's &quot;Back in Black&quot; - obviously a reference to the return of Lord Vader, who actually makes an appearance in the bootleg about halfway through in one quick shot. There are tons more tidbits fans have found as they pick the footage apart.

Although ##### film definitely must be upset, they have to find solace in that fan reaction has been uber-positive and everyone is thrilled to get a glimpse of the new film. If this footage is any indication of what is to come, Episode III is easily going to be the best of the prequel bunch

http://www.themovieinsider.com/backinblack/ep1_2.jpg

[Emperor Violenjiger]

Who cares about this at all? George Luc@s ruined the Sci-Fi Genre. Phantom Menace and Clone Wars destroyed Science-Fiction, and made people into believing that it's something it is not. Likewise, Episode Three will be garbage just like the previous two films in the new trilogy. I will be amazed if I actually end up seeing this film when it gets it's big theatrical release.

[Godjira]

Ok the footage is cool, but I've got a question, why is Luc.as censored out?

[Emperor Violenjiger]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Godjira @ Jan. 25 2004,20:53)]Ok the footage is cool, but I've got a question, why is Luc.as censored out?

Because Clint hates George Luc@ss and the new SW Trilogy with a passion.

[monsterslayers]

I read somewhere that the official title for Episode III is 'Revenge of the Sith,' according to some sort of magazine. Anywhoo, I won't be downloading this, nor will I read any spoilers. I want to be surprised.

The only complaint about the new series is the fact that it seems George isn't telling his story, he's merely making up things in order to show off and boast about their advanced usage of CGI, IMO.

[CBright7831]

There was a blue screen or green screen in every shot of that film. I guess that's why Star Wars: Episode III won't be coming out until next year.

[Raptor]

This was brought up on the DKE mail list and might provide a little &quot;food for thought&quot; here also.

Has anyone noticed how similar Star Wars is to LOTR after reading the Tolkien books? Here are a few items:

Gollum/Sméagol -- Yoda
Aragorn -- Han Solo
Frodo -- Luke Skywalker
Gandalf -- Ben Kenobi
Arwen, Eowyn, Galadriel -- Leia/Amadala
Boromir -- Lando Calrissian
Saruman -- Darth Vader
Sauron -- The Emperor
Edoras -- Endor
Uruk-hai -- The Imperial Army
Barad-dur/Orthanc -- The Many Death Stars
Pelennor Fields -- The Final Battle in Jedi
The Return of the King -- The Return of the Jedi
The Oliphants -- The At-At Walkers
Caradhras -- The Ice Planet of Hoth
Lothlorien/Rivendell -- Endor
The Cave of the Dead -- The Cave on Dagobah

Since Tolkien published his series of LOTR, The Silmarillion and The Hobbit in 1954, a time when ##### would have been a young kid, it makes you wonder how much influence Tolkien may have had on him. Same with Frank Herbert and the Dune books. A lot of the themes are similar and rather universal but sometimes things are just too obvious not to notice...

[Jet Jaguar]

Interesting theory......
too bad ##### no longer cares as much for his Trilogy as jackson does for Tolkiens

[Raptor]

It could be asked why Gollum and Yoda are alike, other than both being short and having funny voices. &nbsp;One is a metaphor for greed, delusion and attachment while the latter is supposed to be an enlightened sage. &nbsp;

The themes are universal and Tolkien heavily borrowed from ancient myths and archetypes. A number of ancient cultures that had myths concerning rings that wielded great power is rather amazing in iteself. Could this just be a case of two people who knew a thing or two about world history and legend using it to frame and motivate their own creative endeavors? Further comparisons, anyone?

[Morgoth]

No, you should look to Japanese films, ironically enough, for where ##### took his ideas and indeed many of his visuals. I doubt if the git even read Tolkien before he made the first movie. Trying to impose Star Wars characters over those from LotR sounds more like some Star Wars geek in denial trying to either belittle LotR (forgetting that it was a book decades before it was a series of movies) or else trying to legitimize and add some class to something that has come to represent the very dregs of science fiction.

For those interested, some specific Japanese films I'd suggest looking at for the 'inspiration' of Star Wars are 'The Hidden Fortress' (both the general plot of Star Wars plus the characters of R2-D2 and C-3P0), 'The Mysterians' (the look of the Mysterians and their base is very similar to that of stormtroopers and the Death Star interiors), 'Battle in Outer Space' (the first film to feature fighter combat in space) and especially 'The Magic Serpent', which has the entire Obi-Wan/Darth Vader relationship in there in the person of its two sorcerers, as well as alot of the Luke Skywalker bit in the person of the good prince who studies under the hermit wizard who originally taught the bad guy sorcerer (and who in turn is serving a corrupt emperor/shogun). The evil sorcerer even hires 'bounty hunters' to track down the good guys!

[Melkor]

Aside from those compatisons, I don't think there are anything else in common between SW and LOTR. First, LOTR is a 'fundamentally religious/Catholic work', in the words of Tolkien, and is perhaps more represantative of some Biblical undertones. True, SW, at least the first three, had the Force, which was more of a mystical force than anything. And Ep. I messed that concept up even more by introducing those 'midichlorians'. Going back to LOTR and the Bible, Frodo, Gandalf and Aragorn seem like metaphors for the threefold mission of Christ: King, Priest, Prophet. Frodo is the suffering victim who bears the cross of Middle-earth, the Ring, and is also the one who destroys it. Aragorn possesses the Kingship of Christ. And Gandalf could be representative of the Prophetic attribute of Christ, because of the various counsels that he gives. Anyway, that is just an example; Tolkien himself never said anything about Gandalf, Frodo and Aragorn being personifications of these three attributes.

And I definitely agree with Morgoth, if ##### borrowed from some source, it would most likely be the following Japanese movies he listed above. In fact I don't think there are even much to compare between the LOTR characters and their SW counterparts, but that's just me.



Peace,



Melkor

[Jet Jaguar]

Carrie Fisher once said in an interview that George ##### was &quot;Steeped in Film Lore&quot;, and he was heavily influenced by Kurosawa.
Kurosawa WAS one of the best Directors EVER, so yeah he influenced a LOT of people.
So you guys arent too far off there!

[Gothmog]

<font color='#FF0000'>Saruman:&quot;No Frodo, I am your father.
Frodo:&quot;Noooooooooooooo!!!111!!oneone&quot;
Heh, heh. Well in all seriousness, I see barely any resemblance between LOTR and SW.
Theres my two cents.

[Archaic_Avenger]

i see what Raptor means, although me being the biggest Yoda fan ever, i see it morally wrong to classify Gollum as the Yoda of the LotR universe, or any universe. &nbsp;other than that, it's a good theory, although Star Wars is better...nevermind, i wont even go there...

Rodan2000

[Morgoth]

best not to, or despite the cool moniker I'll have to get the tar and feathers ready

[LordMumfie]

<font color='#000080'>I don't think that ##### &quot;took&quot; the story of SW from Tolkien. There is an author from Sweden whos name is Astrid Lindgren, you've probably never herd of her, but she wrote a book at about the same time Tolkien wrote LOTR and the story and characters are almost exactly as in LOTR. Example:

The little adoptive boy 'Mio' who has never seen his parents, his mother died in labour and his father is unknown, one day recives an apple from a kind lady and she tells him to go put a letter in the postbox for her. When Mio arrives at the postbox he reads the letter that says something about a the &quot;Distant land&quot; (don't know the correct translation of the swedish name) and a king and his son that will come to him soon. When Mio had put the letter in the postbox he sat down on a park bench and found a bottle that he started to play with. Suddenly a genie appears and it takes Mio to the 'Distant land'. There he meets his father the king and a boy who becomes his friend called 'Jum-Jum'. One day Mio and Jum-Jum listens to a story about a boy who will free the people by riding with his friend to the land where the dark lord Kato lived and kill him. Kato had a heart of stone and he lived in a big, black tower and from a window at the top a red eye shined, it was the evilness of Kato. He had servents who were black spies.
So Mio decides to go to Kato and kill him and he brings Jum-Jum (for those who doesn't get it: SAM) with him. On their journey they meet an almost schitzophrenic (*cough* Gollum *cough*) old man who helps them to get to Kato. They also meet a women who makes dreams and she makes Mios coat an invisibilitycoat. then they recive a sword that can cut through stone from a smith (if you say that the heart of Kato is the &quot;ring&quot; that Mio has to destroy the sword is Mount Doom). Mio kills Kato and everybody is happy. By the way, Kato could transform people into birds (Sauron could change shape).

If you read the whole text you can see many similarities to LOTR, some more farfetched then others, but the funny thing is as I said in the beginning: they wrote the books at almost the exactly time.
Astrid Lindgren (the author of the book i talked about ) got her inspiration from a story I can't remember the name of. So the thing is that this is the steriotypic story about the &quot;little one who travels trough darkness with his friend and with guidience from someone wise (old) to reach the light and defeat the evil&quot;, so practically LOTR, SW and this story is the same story just with other names.
phew!
I hope it made some sense...




Kurt is stupid......

[Goji Son]

Gollum/Sméagol -- Yoda - HELL NO
Aragorn -- Han Solo - NO
Frodo -- Luke Skywalker - NO
Gandalf -- Ben Kenobi - there have been reports that ##### told Guiness to play Ben as if he were Gandalf and the whole dying thing too
Arwen, Eowyn, Galadriel -- Leia/Amadala - NO
Boromir -- Lando Calrissian - HELL NO
Saruman -- Darth Vader - Some resemblence but I also see a relationship between Vader and Gollum
Sauron -- The Emperor - NOPE
Edoras -- Endor - NOT REALLY
Uruk-hai -- The Imperial Army - Nah
Barad-dur/Orthanc -- The Many Death Stars - NO
Pelennor Fields -- The Final Battle in Jedi - LOL NO
The Return of the King -- The Return of the Jedi - Might be on to something there
The Oliphants -- The At-At Walkers - And this too
Caradhras -- The Ice Planet of Hoth - NO
Lothlorien/Rivendell -- Endor - NO
The Cave of the Dead -- The Cave on Dagobah - NOT REALLY

##### took inspiration from alot of things, Spaghetti Westerns, Samurai films (Kurosawa specifically, and on a interesting note Toshiro Mifune was suppose to play Obi Wan), Flash Gordon episodes. &nbsp;But here's the thing, LOTR isn't exactly original either, Tolkien took alot of elements form Finnish myth, Beuwolf and other stuff. &nbsp;Gandalf is basically Odin. &nbsp;

Kurosawa's samurai films were heavily influenced by John Ford's westerns and Spaghetti Westerns were influenced from Kurosawa samurai films. &nbsp;Starting to see a pattern here? &nbsp;

The thing is, there is a fine line between being influenced and ripping off material and SW doesn't rip off anything, even the crappy new ones. &nbsp;Now the first draft of SW is was a complete rip off of 'The Hidden Fortress' but ##### changed it and made it something complete different and completely new.

[Zeptron]

So...Is there any NEW material left in the world? &nbsp;

[WitchKing667]

<font color='#000F22'>Why can't you say George ##### on this board? I understand the man lost most of crediblity making two very crappy films and I'm no fan of his, but no director deserves to have their name bleeped out, not even Michael Bay..
I personally do see somewhat of a resemblance to Star Wars and Tolkien, nothing huge, but it was obviously one of #####' sources, aside from the Japanese films Morgoth mentioned. The truth is, every fantasy story written after The Lord of the Rings has been influenced by Tolkien in some way, no matter how subtle.

[Cosmos]

<font color='#0000FF'>I too was curious about the censorship of George Luke Az... Censhorship in general is lame...and is making me rethink where I have been posting these last few months...
whats the deal?

I suppose a few parallels can be &nbsp;drwn between Star wars and LOTR...considering they are both fantasy adventures about good triumphing over evil...Both Luke and Frodo deal with their Dark side... and so and so...

as for LOtR being Christian metaphor, I have to doubt that... If tolkein said anything of the sort I might beleive that he was perhaps protecting himself from conservative christian types that may veiw his books as Pagan, for containing magic, and 'false' gods.

Don't Forget to fill us in on the Jorj Loockass.

[Showa Mothra #1]

Why do I keeping seeing ####, in every post in this thread?

[Goji Son]

The reason stems from the hatred CL and Brandon have of our favorite one hit wonder (as a director atleast). &nbsp;Ep 1 really left it's mark in CL's dark heart and the name L U C A S is considered a word of blasphemy. &nbsp;It's really no big deal, it's just a dudes last name.

[kent]

The only SW movies I enjoy are the Ep 4-6. Other than that, Ep. 1 and 2 have become nothing but blah blah blah fests!
The LOTR is s good series, but I felt the movies were WAY too long! Making the movies somewhat of a snooze. I couldn't wait for the first one to end because I felt it was too long. The movies could have been cut to 2 1/2 hours at most.

[WitchKing667]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (kent @ Feb. 22 2004,21:08)]The LOTR is s good series, but I felt the movies were WAY too long! Making the movies somewhat of a snooze. I couldn't wait for the first one to end because I felt it was too long. The movies could have been cut to 2 1/2 hours at most.

<font color='#000F22'> And this is from a man who has GINO as his avatar? I don't think you've read the books. Peter Jackson had to cut enough out of The Return of the King to get it down to three and a half hours, including the appearances of Christopher Lee, Brad Dourif and Bruce Spence. The EE of RotK is rumored to be almost five hours long.
The only problem I had with PJ's handling of LotR is the fact that he put too much of The Two Towers into RotK. I think he should have made the theatrical versions of TTT and RotK both three and half hours long and ended TTT with Saruman's death and Frodo and Sam outside Minas Morgul. Just imagine how great seeing an army ten times the size of Saruman's storm out of Minas Morgul before the credits roll would have set up RotK. And PJ would have had less of TTT to cover in RotK and that means we might have gotten to see the Houses of Healing and the Mouth of Sauron in the theatrical cuts.
Other than that the movies are nearly perfect the way they are.

[kent]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ] And this is from a man who has GINO as his avatar?

What does that have to do with anything?